Comments on: Tigertail closure update

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By: tiktok

tiktok — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 23:49:57 +0000

When you hang your shingle out in public, you take the risk of being ridiculed along with being praised. If that bothers you, don't open your own business.

Running a successful small business is difficult, and most people who try to do so, fail. It requires good planning, hard work and good luck to make it. It appears that Tigertail was short on at least one of these. C'est la vie. Someone else will get a good deal on their fixtures and maybe the lease, and maybe they will thrive.

By: Suzie

Suzie — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:47:51 +0000

This statement is silly, the President has never run the USA and certainly doesn't run the IRS. And very few Presidents have run a successful business. W's business experiences were all failures, Clinton and Bush Sr. were career politicians, Reagan was and actor… the last successful business owner to become President was a peanut farmer, and I don't think you can look at the Carter Administration as a highlight in American's presidential past.

By: gooner

gooner — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 08:25:01 +0000

and there is now a city of seattle note on the door noting that they are shutting their water off.

By: Kat

Kat — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 06:57:32 +0000

Friend works just up the block and said he saw furniture and such getting removed most of the day. Must be closing for good.

By: SPG

SPG — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 04:47:00 +0000

Considering that the government just took down the Swiss bank privacy law to get at tax cheats I think getting UPS and other shipper or vendor records would be easy and an obvious next step in replacing revenue.

By: balishag

balishag — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:07:53 +0000

interesting comment from a regular patron

By: kim

kim — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:09:20 +0000

au contraire. you need to budget my friend. i get your employee comment, but the “owner” would then need to sacrifice and pull double/triple shifts or get rid of someone they can't afford.

By: Ballardmom

Ballardmom — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:37:34 +0000

That's not true – that the clients pay the taxes. Unless you charge your clients mark-up on their invoices to specifically cover the taxes. The state taxes you on your revenue (ie: income). The city taxes you on sales.

By: mjb

mjb — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 00:49:45 +0000

i also agree re transformation! the laundromat near tiger tail is the most disgusting laundromat i've ever been in. and i've been in a lot of laundromats–7 years in nyc! i saw it all in there, and all coming out of machines–what looked like feces, dirty clothes still hanging out of washing machines, styrofoam peanuts, etc. and it reeks, most of the dryers dont work, the soda machine never worked, nd there is no attendant in case any of the questionable types who patronize this place decide to act up. i was really happy when i found transformation. now im even happier as i have my own washer and drier!

By: Fauxnothing

Fauxnothing — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:17:25 +0000

By “front page” I guess I was thinking “not in a forum page” so, yes, you're right.

And, I'm not arguing that the story isn't business news, just that anyone who has owned a small business will surely recognize the personal nature of this situation. It's sad, for sure. It's obviously touching me on a personal level, and probably others as well. Sorry, just feeling somewhat maudlin today.

By: phinneynotballard

phinneynotballard — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:59:52 +0000

There is no “front page,” its a blog. They post stories that they think are relevant to the neighborhood, and clearly by the activity on this forum, people find the topic meaningful.

Someone made a comment a few days ago that it was freshing to see some actual journalism in the media, and I agree. Instead of just posting “Tigertail closed” Dale is making calls and asking questions. This is a public business that is a part of the fabric of our neighborhood – I see nothing wrong with reporting on it. Someone's house buring is personal news; a lost cat is personal news; news is simply personal in nature. Nothing posted in this story isn't available to anyone who walked by and looked in the window. No one is speculating anything.

By: Fauxnothing

Fauxnothing — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:20:55 +0000

Running a small business is probably the most difficult task in the world. In so many ways, it's harder than running a much larger business that would have many employees, or even large departments, to handle the day-to-day behind-the-scenes tasks that a small business owner must do alone while simultaneously working in the business. Many small business owners have all the necessary skills for baking cakes, fixing cars, bathing dogs, etc., but they don't have the knowledge or experience to actually handle the bookkeeping and other business tasks.

I understand the dilemma that small businesses face; there's money in the bank and there are bills to pay. In order to keep the doors open, the employees must be paid, the rent needs to be paid, and suppliers will cut you off if you don't pay them. If you close the doors, nobody gets paid. So, instead of paying the DOR the tax revenue you've collected and put in the bank, you pay the immediate bills and hope the DOR doesn't come after you before you've been able to replace the money you took from the bank. Of course, it almost never works that way.

To a small business owner who is doing his/her level best just to keep the doors open, that tax money is a constant temptation. It's in your bank acount, right? It feels like your own money, you need the money, and there's no other place to get the money you need to keep the business running. The business you've put your heart and soul into, never mind your own money and possibly that of friends and family.

Been there, done that. Sad thing is, your employees and your suppliers don't have the immediate power to close your business down. Even your landlord has to go through some huge steps to make it happen. The DOR and the IRS both have the power to close your doors.

Personally, I find it surprising that MyBallard.com puts news like this on the front page. I know, it feels like business news. The reality is that it's extremely personal news to the people it's happening to. It's embarrassing and heartbreaking. It almost feels like commenting on this article is akin to commenting on a suicide article.

By: Bark more, Wag Less

Bark more, Wag Less — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:12:01 +0000

They'll have to tackle the UPS man first….

By: Tastyviddles

Tastyviddles — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:53:34 +0000

For a small business – those taxes aren't that high – that could be 1 or 2 months of not paying payroll taxes…you start to fall behind and then you don't know how to catch up. It's easy to say – well, they should have paid their taxes before they paid their employees – but realistically – it's not that easy. You can't just tell your employees, “Well, you aren't getting paid this week. Sorry bout that…” It's easy to fall behind, and anyone who make ssnarky comments or otherwise doesn't understand the plight of the small biz.

By: SPG

SPG — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:53:06 +0000

You do realize that as a business you are still liable for that sales tax even though your vendor didn't collect it? When you get audited you'll be paying more than just the sales tax on those out of state purchases.

By: ballardmike

ballardmike — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:48:35 +0000

They should have filed for corporate status offshore to get out of those pesky taxes.

By: phinneynotballard

phinneynotballard — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:08:32 +0000

Individuals and business fall behind on taxes sometimes, that's just a fact of life. But it would appear that its been a year since the DOR identified the problem and its doubled in the interim. I think that's generous enough. The feds will start garnishing your wages if you're an indivdual at this point.

By: phinneynotballard

phinneynotballard — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:06:01 +0000

are you unemployed or underemployed? Me, I just don't work as hard as I should.

By: balishag

balishag — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:39:44 +0000

People do not pay their taxes for a variety of reasons. However, it does not surprise me that people still find delight in making snarky comments and comparisons. It's the nature of the typical unemployed/underemployed users trolling this blog. If you want a real story, you should ask why two businesses in this building are closed. It may not just be a problem with the business owners.

By: Bark more, Wag Less

Bark more, Wag Less — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:39:26 +0000

…one more reason to buy out of state from vendors who don't charge the high sales tax. Easy to find them.

By: sdrake1958

sdrake1958 — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:05:21 +0000

Just received my 3rd quarter form from our lovely state myself. A business doesn't pay taxes. It's clients do. A real wake up call would be everybody keeping everything they “earn” and send a check like many do each and every 1/4. Or at least just one time for sure. Try arguing with the state. Try suing them. This state, like too many, is broke and want each and every penny they think belongs to them. And some selected a guy with zero business experience to run the USA. Zero. Makes cents to me!

By: Ballardmom

Ballardmom — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:55:20 +0000

There is a chance that they didn't understand when where and how to file their state taxes and just didn't want to think about it and it snowballed. I see that happen more than you'd think with small businesses.

By: Ballardmom

Ballardmom — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:52:54 +0000

I agree. And now they have a coffee house with wifi next door.

By: birdymkr

birdymkr — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 09:14:42 +0000

The issue is a business collects the tax for the DOR. The money is not the owner's $. PERIOD. I realize these are difficult economic times for small businesses but one thing you just don't do is not pay your state sales taxes!

By: Name

Name — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 07:54:09 +0000

yes I think businesses should pay their taxes. Ya?

By: kim

kim — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 07:34:46 +0000

it can make or break a great business. that's why there's partners.

By: bellie

bellie — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 07:22:52 +0000

Ya think?

By: rob3rt

rob3rt — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 05:19:08 +0000

Kelly, the best laundromat is of course Transformation Station – where your clothes come in dirty, and they leave clean! It's on 8th at Market.
They are the nicest people!

By: Name

Name — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 04:36:18 +0000

hmmm maybe the soution is paying your taxes like the rest of us? should I feel sorry?