Police seek woman who shoved child at Ballard Community Center

An intoxicated woman made her way into the Ballard Community on Monday afternoon and attempted to access a restricted area, according to Seattle PD.

“Staff members confronted the woman, who became agitated and walked toward the exit. On her way out the door, the woman shoved a four-year-old girl to the ground,” police said.

When officers arrived, the woman was gone. The child sustained minor injuries, and police are investigating the case as an assault.

Officers have provided a rather rudimentary suspect description: “White female in her 50s, approximately 5’8, with short blonde hair, dressed in all black.”

(File photo)

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BAM
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BAM

Where’s elenchos and his big mouth defending the homeless woman?

Homeless On the Range
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Homeless On the Range

People on the forum aren’t sure if elenchos is a man; some think elenchos is a woman. Either way, can’t wait for his/her ranting to commence. “One isolated incident does not a crime spree make” (technically true), “see, you commenters like to blow every little thing out of proportion” (also technically true), “if this was really a crisis we’d be hearing about these incidents more often” (as we are now). I’d say the 4 or 5 recent crime posts represent a pattern emerging. Soon, elenchos won’t be able to shout “this is an isolated incident, go back to your Safe Seattle site and continue being a NIMBY!”

Access Hollywood
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Access Hollywood

Or perhaps there would be a feature on the front page of the Seattle Times discussing the huge epidemic in Ballard

elenchos
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elenchos

I have never once said , “if this was really a crisis we’d be hearing about these incidents more often”.

Also, one incident not making a spree is not “technically” true. It’s actually the definition of a spree. A dog does not “technically” have four legs and a tail.

I’ve also never said “go back to Safe Seattle”. I’ve said quit reading that garbage. Log off Nextdoor. Turn off Fox News. Stop listing to right wing talk radio. I don’t want you to continue to be filled with hate and paranoia. You can grow past this if you try.

First step might be to quit sockpuppeting. Pick one name and stick to it.

Jeff Martin
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Jeff Martin

We live on a “nice, quiet “ street in Whittier Heights. We have had the wheels and tires stolen from my Toyota parked in front of the house, numerous times our car has been “opened” and it’s contents rifled through, packages stolen from our porch so often that we have all deliveries sent to my wife’s place of work and most recently our house burglarized while we were away for less than an hour. I do not listen too Faux news nor subscribe to Neighborhood news web pages, I’m not paranoid these are actual incidents.

elenchos
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elenchos

So what? Who said there were zero tire thefts? Your examples have proven there are not zero thefts, but nobody ever claimed that was the case.

Here’s a fun fact: in 2016 there were nearly 27,000 cases of larceny-theft in Seattle. Wow! Right?

In 2000 there were… wait for it… 26,238 cases of larceny-theft. The population went from 570,000 to 686,000 during that period, meaning the rate of theft/larceny in Seattle saw a mild decline of about 46 per 1,000 people in 2000 to 39 or so in 2016.

I never said “we’d hear about these incidents more often”. I have said “there is no crime wave”, and that in the last 20 years, the crime rate has been about the same. (continued…)

elenchos
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elenchos

I’ve also said in the decades before 2000, crime was WAY higher, such as in 1987 when there were 43,500 thefts when there were not even 500,000 people. The crime rate in 1987 for theft-larceny was 2.2 times what it was in 2016.

That’s all I’m saying. So when you reply, “But my Zappos order never arrived!” it isn’t a meaningful point. Also, did you double check your address? I get like five packages a month meant for one of my neighbors. But I digress.

The crime rate is pretty low, and it hasn’t been increasing, if at all. Homelessness has definitely increased a LOT, which pretty much proves that homelessness does not cause a higher crime rate. Ballard has four times as many homeless people but not four times the crime rate. In fact, it’s hardly changed at all.

Lampchop
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Lampchop

Logic? How novel. lol

Pork Pie
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Pork Pie

Shut up, Harley! LOL

elenchos
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elenchos

Why do you whine that I post too much, and then the first thing you do is try to draw me out? Also: stop socking. We all know you’re one guy with a dozen fake names.

JEFF GORDON
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JEFF GORDON

Isnt elenchos a woman? First name Ellen?

Hayduke
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Hayduke

Oh? How do you know?

Hayduke
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Hayduke

Hah, 10 downvotes, even for that? Talk about sockpuppets, lol

elenchos
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elenchos

“Life isn’t fair sometimes. Deal with it and suck it up. It does you and no one else any good to constantly bitch and moan about it.”

wordone
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wordone

I don’t think she was homeless. She was wearing a #MAGA hat. All those people have jobs and are hard working.

St Luke's is The Problem
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St Luke's is The Problem

Women raped and children assaulted, homes invaded.
Is everyone in Seattle on crazy pills tolerating this?
I believe the SPD is now doing some “lip sync” video stunt. WTF???!!!

Lampchop
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Lampchop

LOLOLOLOL One woman and one child an NO home invasions.

Machete Phil
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Machete Phil

There was a home invasion right up the street from my house a few nights ago. Happened on 25TH AVE NW, around NW 70TH ST. The homeowner shot the perp. You wouldn’t be LOL if this happened to you or your neighbor.

Hayduke
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Hayduke

Is this a different incident than the one described in this thread below this one? Because that was on the 6700 block of 25th NE. Did the perp die? Or are we going have to paid to patch him up and send him on his way to go victimize more homeowners?

Odin the hairless Viking
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Odin the hairless Viking

Hayduke , your reading comprehension sucks. The incident described was on the 6700 block of 25th NW not NE. The 6700 block runs from NW 67th to the next street which if my ancient memory serves is nw 70th street. I used to deliver the Ballard Tribune from NW 70th to NW 75 ranging from 20th NW to 26 NW. The location is more properly described as Sunser Hill rather than Loyal Heights as in the article but that’s only because the Geeky Swedes may not really know Ballard.

Lampchop
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Lampchop

Sorry not a home invasion.

Stranger Editor
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Stranger Editor

Tell us why you took the Elk Lodge Bell, Lambchop. I’m sure the city will go easy on you. They’ll probably make you a community organizer afterwards.

Lampchop
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Lampchop

<<<laughing hysterically at anything to do with Elks.

Simon Says
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Simon Says

Nothing to see here. Signed, Elenchos

St Luke's is The Problem
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St Luke's is The Problem

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/homeless/ballards-homelessness-quadrupled-last-year-and-anger-is-spilling-over/

Get it together, Seattle. All you O’Brien/Bagshaw/Sawant supporters need to take a cold hard look at what your “tolerance” has done to your neighbors.

elenchos
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elenchos

Harley, can you log back in with your other fake name, your Homeless On the Range sock? I want you to either show where I said any of those things you accuse me of saying, or admit you made it up. You lie so much and never take responsibility for your lies. You just make up a new sock name and carry on as if nothing happened.

It’s weird how homelessness could quadruple yet the crime rate is flat. Not four times as much crime? Lends a lot of weight to the fact that homlessness doesn’t drive crime. You guys deny it when academic researchers tell you that fact, but now we have additional evidence of the same thing.

St Luke's is The Problem
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St Luke's is The Problem

Please keep your tent off my comments, Elenchos, and stop calling me “Harley”.

Homeless On the Range
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Homeless On the Range

elenchos, your microaggressions need to stop. By calling me a liar and irresponsible triggers me. I hope you know that by triggering me, you’re causing me stress.

rodeo
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rodeo

take your 3rd grade quarrel somewhere else. you two are pathetic and no one cares about your petty differences. spend some time out actually doing something about the problem instead of trolling.

Lampchop
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Lampchop

Anger has quadrupled but crime has decreased.

Kirk
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Kirk

This thread is already too predictable.

Does either Harley or Elenchos live in Ballard, or do they monitor this site from afar?

St Luke's is The Problem
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St Luke's is The Problem

Believe it or not, Kirk, “Harley” is not the only person fed up with the chaos and lawlessness.

Kirk
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Kirk

I know that. I largely share the outlook although it is grotesquely overstated on this site and readily descends into personal attacks. That’s my point and nothing on this thread addresses it, yet.

St Luke's is The Problem
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St Luke's is The Problem

When one half of the citizenry seems to support criminals who prey upon us all, it’s a bit perplexing when people such as yourself get upset over (honest, not fake nice) comment threads.

We all work very hard to live here and most of us have suffered property crime, harassment, and sometimes assault as a result of the failed city leadership. This weird insistence on tone policing and legalistic sophistry (AKA political speak) instead of addressing an obvious invasion of lawless addicts is sadly part of the “Seattle Brand”.

Let’s really talk about whether the city is doing well with this approach and whether our families and neighbors are safer than 5yrs ago. I think we all know the answer, whether or not we consider ourselves liberals or conservatives. We clearly have many, many inept people making decisions right now based on wishful thinking and flawed principles.

Kirk
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Kirk

Please reread the first posting on this thread and explain how it is in any sense constructive or conversational.

St Luke's is The Problem
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St Luke's is The Problem

Well, since I am not “BAM” I am not responsible for it, however, I would say that comments don’t RUIN PARKS, PUBLIC SPACES, BUSES, AND RETAIL, unlike the subsidized criminals.

Once again, liberal-leaning people are only OK with anger if it is directed at Trump or capitalism. When it is directed at failed local policies all of a sudden they adopt a parochial tone and demand tasteful restraint.

Sorry, that ship sailed, Kirk.

Know this, though: I would like a city safe for me, for you, and for the rest of the functional, law-abiding people. Why so many people are dead set on turning Seattle into San Francisco – which now has problems attracting tourists due to the filth and lawlessness – is beyond me.

elenchos
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elenchos

“In 2017, the total number of visitors in San Francisco is estimated to have been 25.5 million, up 1.4% from 2016.”

“For 2018, San Francisco Travel is forecasting a total of 26.281 million visitors to the city, an increase of 2.6 percent. Total spending by visitors in 2018 is projected to reach $9.486 billion, up 3.8 percent.”

The total number of visitors, and total spending by visitors to SF both set new records every year in 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, and is expected to set another record high in 2018.

https://sftravel.ent.box.com/s/3oq7bqy1vj6j32catxluhl4ltagydnmx

wordone
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wordone

“most of us have suffered…”
Not true.
I’ve lived in Ballard 10 years. In all that time the only property crime we’ve suffered is having a pair of sunglasses taken out of our unlocked car. I have not been harassed or assaulted.
Please stop lying.

Lampchop
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Lampchop

I have lived in Ballard for 67 years and have never been the victim of any crime nor known anyone who has been.

elenchos
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elenchos

It’s one of the ways you know it’s Harley behind these socks. He isn’t able to focus on an idea, or an abstraction. He only sees people, as in, everything is personal. It’s why he’s been so obsessed with harassing specific local journalists. He puts as much energy into trying to intimidate individuals as promoting the cause he supposedly cares about. Maybe you’ve noticed he is incapable of using data? Statistics are utterly beyond him. He literally doesn’t comprehend what is meant by the words “crime rate”. It’s one statistic divided by another statistic, and he can’t even grasp one stat, let alone two. The only thing he can grasp is single incidents, specifically the bogeymen who are behind the incidents. His fearsome homeless junkie thief rapist that haunts his nightmares. He has to put a face on everything, and it’s a scary monster face. So here today, we have an incident which should be something for Safe Seattle & Harley to focus on. Maybe they could use it to make a cogent point. Instead, he uses his sockpuppets to post elenchos, elenchos, elenchos, elenchos. He has used his socks to post over and over “elenchos is the problem”. Some… Read more »

St Luke's is The Problem
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St Luke's is The Problem

Elenchos, nobody asked for your word salad. Please keep your needles off my property.

Homeless On the Range
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Homeless On the Range

Homeless people…OK. Here’s my take then. Drug addicts. Alcoholics. Ex-cons. These are people who, for one reason or another, never learned to ‘adult’ properly. Now, they’re living on the street, down the street from you and I. Are they all dangerous, all the time? No. No more than you or I are. Are they dangerous some of the time? Sure, just like you and I are. However, you and I, elenchos, have ID cards, fixed addresses, and jobs. We can be and are responsible for our actions, because, part of adulting properly is understanding that actions have consequences, oftentimes negative consequences. Those who have decided to embrace drugs, booze, and crime, and those who decide they’re ‘too good’ to participate in a society correctly, are more of a danger than you or I, because they already took steps that rejected societies rules (like, don’t do drugs – instead, go to your job on time and get a paycheck) that helped land them on the streets. Now, they’re looking to get a handout off of you, but if you don’t let them, they may get violent – because that class of homeless are basically children who never learned polite manners. The… Read more »

Hayduke
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Hayduke

Lol, a totally measured, reasonable and rational response, hotr. No wonder why Elenchos and her fan club voted it down so strongly.

Hayduke
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Hayduke

Elenchos, who is this “journalist” you’re speaking of that Harley supposedly harassed? I want specific examples of exactly what Harley said or did them. Go ahead, take your time, I’ll wait.

elenchos
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elenchos
Hayduke
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Hayduke

? Is that in response to my challenge of you to provide evidence? And why would you vote me down for simply asking you to provide evidence?

elenchos
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elenchos

Yeah, like you ever once bothered to answer any of the questions I ever asked you.

Don’t bitch and whine to me that somebody downvoted you. Beg for sympathy anywhere but my doorstep. From what I can tell, a hell of a lot of people do not appreciate your nonsense. Maybe they have a point? Take the hint.

Hayduke
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Hayduke

I’m happy to engage and answer challenging questions from opponents. I do it all the time. I think it’s very telling that you slander someone like you did with Harley and you don’t have the balls to back it up with any evidence. I will just file that under the Elenchos is talking out their a55 category again.

Lampchop
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Lampchop

What you want is of no concern to anyone. Well maybe to your mother.

Lampchop
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Lampchop

Look at who runs the site.

Hayduke
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Hayduke

Harley lives in Magnolia. He’s had his own run ins with vagrants and criminals there as well.

anyone but mike
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anyone but mike

We have real problems in ballard. Not made up neighborhood hysteria. Claiming that things like drunk homeless people pushing kids around is normal, or that its always been that way detracts from our ability as a community to solve this crisis.

And Elenchos – nachos, I’ll meet you at the library any evening and bring with me my two SPD reports of my car getting broken into, as well as some tools stolen from my backyard. I’d also be happy to look up the the dozen or so other car break ins that have occured on my street.

From the library, we can walk to the Gilman Playground and look for some needles or other meth paraphernalia. On any given day we would have about a 10% chance of finding something.

From there, we can walk a few more blocks to the street I live on, and I’ll introduce you to my 88 year old neighbor who has lived in the same house for over 40 years, and you can talk to her if ballard was worse in the 80’s or today.

Lampchop
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Lampchop

ONE kid.

Stranger Editor
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Stranger Editor

ONE KID TOO MANY

Homeless On the Range
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Homeless On the Range

Maybe next time it’s your kid, Lambchop. I wonder if it’ll be just “ONE kid” at that point?

Lampchop
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Lampchop

There is no freedom without risk. I recommend a gated suburb for you and yours.

Homeless On the Range
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Homeless On the Range

Spoken like someone who is secretly fearful and spouts tough online.

Stranger Editor
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Stranger Editor

Huh. Northlake Way? Huh
Beat:B3, STRONG ARM ROBBERY at 21XX BLOCK OF N NORTHLAKE WY reported on 7/19/2018 9:04 PM, Call# 18000266535

Beat:J1, MISCHIEF, NUISANCE COMPLAINTS at 14 AV NW / NW 92 ST reported on 7/20/2018 1:02 PM, Call# 18000267469
Beat:J2, HARASSMENT, THREATS at 83XX BLOCK OF 23 AV NW reported on 7/20/2018 12:49 PM, Call# 18000267388
Beat:J2, BURGLARY – RESIDENTIAL, OCCUPIED at 65XX BLOCK OF 15 AV NW reported on 7/20/2018 11:44 AM, Call# 18000267208
Beat:B2, PROPERTY – FOUND (FOLLOW UP TO SPD CASE) at 7XX BLOCK OF N 47 ST reported on 7/20/2018 11:40 AM, Call# 18000267236
Beat:B3, THEFT – MISCELLANEOUS at 36XX BLOCK OF WOODLAND PARK AV N reported on 7/20/2018 10:34 AM, Call# 18000267217
Beat:B1, ASSAULTS, OTHER at 53XX BLOCK OF 15 AV NW reported on 7/20/2018 5:58 AM, Call# 18000266636
Beat:B2, FIGHT DISTURBANCE at 3XX BLOCK OF N 36 ST reported on 7/20/2018 2:02 AM, Call# 18000266932

elenchos
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elenchos

Compare:

http://www.myballard.com/2018/07/11/tiny-house-village-for-homeless-women-opens-in-whittier-heights/#comment-585790

You SUCK at sock puppetry. You can’t keep track of which fake account posted what. You repeat the same things as “different” people and you think nobody would notice. The average person is nowhere near as dumb as you.

Stop asking why you keep getting slammed with downvotes. Everyone hates you because they see right through you. EVERYBODY is sick of you.

Stranger Editor
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Stranger Editor

Imagine being the kind of person who, instead of outraged by murderers, rapists, burglars, thieves, junkies – and now – child beaters, you bash your neighbors as Nimby’s and insult them. Now try to imagine that on top of that, you berate and insult your neighbors for rebelling against the idea of PAYING TAXES to subsidize these same criminals.

That’s where we are, Seattle.

Concerned Ballard Millenial
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Concerned Ballard Millenial

This is where the liberals are losing people like me. When you have a population that believes a certain population should be allowed to do whatever they want unencumbered and show utter disdain for those that don’t agree with you.

I suspect in the near future there will be a lot more people like me, voting for the most liberal person at the top of the ticket and the most conservative for local/state elections.

Stranger Editor
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Stranger Editor

There is a certain type of entrenched thinking at Seattle City Hall that is completely detached from reality. It would seem that almost everything they attempt to solve becomes much worse, so they simply mobilize their “flying monkeys” to shout down any valid criticism and somehow equate it with “Trump/Maga racists” etc. It’s remarkable, and I suspect that regardless of Seattle’s future, this city’s current era will be studied by urban planners and social scientists as a cautionary example.

Kirk
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Kirk

As I said: entirely predictable

Stranger Editor
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Stranger Editor

Yes, the results of Seattle liberal politics are sadly predictable.

Lampchop
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Lampchop

You would be very surprised at how many old ballad folk vote GOP and voted for Trump. Seattle wealthy have always been GOP.

anyone but mike
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anyone but mike

No way that’s true. So much wealth has been created in the tech boom the last 8 years, and much of it to young democrats.

Lampchop
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Lampchop

The techies are libertarians an are mostly suburban kids who fear people of color.

Stranger Editor
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Stranger Editor

Haha, of course! All these college educated techies who attended “diverse” universities filled with people from all over the world “fear people of color”.

I love the not-so-subtle suggestion you make that anyone who is fed up with the progressive(ly) dumpy direction Seattle has taken is somehow racist. Perhaps many of these “evil libertarians” have been immersed in Leftist environments for much of their lives and see through the many lies and inconsistencies.

How do you manage to tie your shoes, Lambchop?

Homeless On the Range
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Homeless On the Range

There are lots of things I’m liberal on – race relations, LGBTQ rights, healthcare, bicycles. Things I’ve realized I’m drifting to the right on – tolerating junkies, a soft stance on criminals, taxation without logical representation. I’d say that makes me a moderate I guess…probably like a lot of people on this site. I used to vote all-left, all the time, but Seattle’s latest round of progressive policymakers has really shifted my judgment and beliefs.

Stranger Editor
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Stranger Editor

@Homeless on the Range
Hate to tell you, but to the Left any deviation from orthodoxy on any issue means you’re a “racist altright nazi” etc.

Good luck playing a la carte with that menu, Friend.

Lampchop
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Lampchop

<<<<<laughing hysterically at 'diverse' universities. Must have a Asian or two.

Simon Says
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Simon Says

Exactly, I start at the left on the top ticket and end up at the right at the bottom of the ticket.

Gurn
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Gurn

Go “right” all the time…

Hayduke
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Hayduke

Excellent post, CBM. No wonder why Elenchos had her minions vote it down so strongly. I have exactly the same position as you, granted I’m quite a bit older. I’ve lived here 25 years and voted Democrat all my life and worked for various liberal causes and candidates. I am DONE with it. And trust me, there are many more like me. I’m fed up with the enabling and encouragment of this crap. I will continue to vote against the GOP and Trump on a national level. At the state level I could go either way now. But when it comes to local elections, I’m voting down every tax or levy, and I’m voting every one of these deceitful clowns on the SCC out.

Scott D.
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Scott D.

Thanks for thinking and not feeling. More and more are finally waking up to the reality of today’s liberal. What we are all witnessing is the biggest scam in city history. While many complain about “unaffordable housing our city council raises property taxes. Um, hello. While many pretend to not see the shreds of human debris, many are sick and tired of their city going to S. “Compassion” does NOT mean taking from your neighbors to spend on a pet project to bring chaos. Without that and their permanent underclass these wonderful, well intentioned fools are sunk. Again, I thank you for being reasoned and actually using your brains

Jeff Gordon
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Jeff Gordon

I just write Obama in for all the local positions. Do you think he would serve if he won? He would whip those Uber-liberals into line.

Gurn
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Gurn

Please don’t vote liberal on any election

Homeless On the Range
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Homeless On the Range

The problem is with our inherent humanity. Let me explain. The City Clowncil has determined that by appealing to our hearts, they can continue to mismanage funds for those they (amusingly) call ‘the most vulnerable’ of our society. How do they do this? By humanizing the homeless. “This is someone’s son/daughter/mother/father/3rd uncle twice removed” gets the younger, more idealistic among us to say ‘gosh you’re right, I’m sure this guy with 5 assault convictions in 3 different states is really just a misunderstood someone’s son who, with my support and tax dollars, can become a productive member of society.’ Except, that last part, the ‘become a productive member of society’ part, is never explicitly touted – either by the Clowncil, or by those who vote for them and happily swallow the ‘caring is enough’ pills that get shoved down their throats. If rehabilitation is the goal, that doesn’t seem to be working. And, I’ll just refer to my previous post, and say that most drug addicts and criminals don’t want to reform. If they did, they wouldn’t have gotten to their station in life where they are now. This isn’t a blanket statement that all criminals/junkies aren’t willing to reform,… Read more »

Stranger Editor
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Stranger Editor

@Homeless on the Range

This city is run on bleeding heart sentimentality with regards to helping junkies, but cold, hard ruthless bureaucratic fiscal realism when it comes to COLLECTING TAXES, TOLLS AND FEES from its citizens. It’s difficult not to see property crime as a just another “tax” we pay for the privilege of living in Seattle.

“Property taxes too high?
Boohoo, Citizen. Just sell your house and move. We have $100k+ salaried city employees and consultants to pay. “

Homeless On the Range
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Homeless On the Range

So you’re telling me the real housing shortage is overpaid, under-utilized city employees waiting to make an offer on my house? If that’s the case, I’m looking for a cool million! After all, it’s pretty obvious these city yo-yo’s don’t work with numbers before attempting something…hopefully that includes buying a new house!

Stranger Editor
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Stranger Editor

You’re really supposed to sell your house to the developers. It may be giving the City Council too much credit to think they schemed to force the single family owners to sell by ruining Ballard, given how daft they seem, but then again when I look around I see the results of a “de facto” weaponized underclass, so to speak.

John Smith
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John Smith

Let me guess, it was a homeless junkie that decided to leave her pile of trash in Ballard Commons Park in search of meth funds.

Truth
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Truth

The description of the suspect sounds like your typical Next Door user.

guesty
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guesty

again, anyone defending these violent addict nutters has some serious issues themselves….

lots of trolling going on here, swedes.

Stranger Editor
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Stranger Editor

How about the people pimping them out to extract money from taxpayers while implying they will let it get worse unless we pay up? Simple extortion.
Real classy folks, the whole bunch.

Hayduke
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Hayduke

Why no mention in this article of the fact that this child beating junkie also went around the corner to shoot up?

King Diamond
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King Diamond

Yes she tried to shoot up outside the facility where the children who attend summer camp were playing. It also took the police about 20-30 minutes to arrive. My daughter attends summer camp there and witnessed the event. Why the hell did it take the police that long to respond to an assault on a child. We have a staffing shortage with the Seattle PD. Maybe we should focus on public safety instead of worrying about building more bike lanes downtown or sending our mayor to Texas.

Lampchop
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Lampchop

Because it was not an assault.

Homeless On the Range
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Homeless On the Range

If someone is pushed without their consent, that’s assault. If someone pushed you on the street, whether you think it is or not, the police would classify that as assault. When it’s a 50-year old woman pushing a 4-year old child, it’s definitely classified as an assault – which is what happened at the community center. Or are you now trying to tell us that didn’t happen? Fake news, Lambchop? Didn’t happen?

Lampchop
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Lampchop

Then I am assaulted on the bus every day. lolololol

Lampchop
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Lampchop

When they turn and smack me with a backpack is that assault with a deadly weapon? LOLOLOLOL

Lampchop
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Lampchop

Did you perhaps buy your law degree from Home shopping Club? Because assault requires intent, it is considered an intentional tort, as opposed to a tort of negligence. Actual ability to carry out the apprehended contact is not necessary. In Criminal Law an assault is defined as an attempt to commit battery, requiring the specific intent to cause physical injury.

Odin the hairless Viking
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Odin the hairless Viking

If they are unzipped (tool out) and turn fast it could be assault with a dead weapon

Homeless On the Range
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Homeless On the Range

A woman shoving a small child is, therefore, assault, as it had intent. Or did the child trigger her because he wasn’t addicted to smack? Therefore, it’s ok that she pushed him, the little brat was asking for it! Shame on a toddler implying the ‘most vulnerable’ members of our society do something more constructive than shoot up in a community center. Idiot.

King Diamond
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King Diamond

WTF are you talking about, so I guess it’s OK for these poor junkies to shoot up their drugs in front of children and to assault them.

Ballard Needs Eats
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Ballard Needs Eats

Don’t bother King Diamond, it’s pretty clear these multitude of downvotes for anyone not spouting the strict liberal policy agenda is the work of one, maybe two people. Sure, sometimes the debate gets heated, but when I logically explain that yes, it was assault as defined by our laws, and I get 6 downvotes? It’s just people upset I don’t agree with their belief-sets 100%. That’s why I keep posting, because if you don’t, others, who don’t want you to have a dissenting opinion, win by default. And that’s not how democracy works.

Lampchop
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Lampchop

Neither happened.

Thales
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Thales

Elenchos – outstanding name, by the way – this is my first time to this forum, and I am life-long liberal, attending the Children’s March on Washington in 1972 all the way through to understanding the vast superiority of the French, German, Scandinavian, etc., social and tax models. Despite a top 1% job, I also lived in the Tenderloin in SF for years (by choice, without a car), and regularly walk and talk among the homeless here, from Sodo to Denny to Aurora to Ballard to Interbay to the U District to Cap Hill. If you cannot see the difference between (1) the young and fully able-bodied ‘homeless’ and jobless (albeit many of same suffering from addiction and some from alcoholism) and (2) the old and/or mentally or physically disabled involuntary homeless, then you are missing the biggest part of the human disaster that is occurring in Seattle as well as SF. This first group refuses to live by rules, by definition are not being responsible – and hence frequently, repeatedly shoot up in bathrooms, tents, RVs, parks, bus stops etc, endangering themselves and everyone around them – and by definition must steal or prostitute themselves, frequently to the tune… Read more »

Woke William
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Woke William

Nazi!

Everyone I disagree with is an alt-right Nazi!

elenchos
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elenchos

Harley: this whole “I’m a lifelong liberal, but MAGA!” bit doesn’t fool anybody. The gag is played out. Stop making up these throwaway sockpuppets. It’s stupid, it annoys everyone, and it doesn’t work.

Get over your obsession with me. People hate you because you’re a right wing extremist, and they’re the reality based community, not because of anything I said. Get help, Harley.

Thales
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Thales

Elenchos – For all I know you have been right the last 100 times you have called out ‘Harley’ (I have no idea), but I can assure you this time that you are wrong. This literally is my first time on this forum, and everything I said above is true for me. (Do you really think Harley, whoever he is, really knows what Elenchos is or who Thales was, save for Wikipedia?) I would appreciate hearing your honest response to what I posted.

elenchos
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elenchos

You’re a conservative. You think life is fair.

You see a rich person, and you feel utter faith and confidence that they must be smart, hardworking, clever, honest and thrifty. If a person who wasn’t virtuous became rich, that would be unfair. Life is always fair.

You see a poor person. They must have something wrong with them. They must be lazy, a cheater, a liar, stupid and ignorant. How could someone who doesn’t deserve to be poor be poor? Life gives to everyone just what they deserve. Life is fair.

Conservatives are stuck in a six year old’s way of thinking. The world is good and just and good things come to those who earn them. You want to see people in need punished and it angers you to see any help given them, because they can’t possibly deserve any help.

Grow up. Life is not fair.

Thales
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Thales

Elenchos – Thanks for the reply. That’s actually not how I think. My mom and her family grew up so poor, to be honest with you, its why I think I walk among the homeless so much. And life isn’t fair. If I was black, I might well be shot by now, given my ‘attitude’ to calling police who are assholes out. And if I wasn’t born to my parents – in this country of all countries – I would be nothing that I am today. Nothing. And finally, yes, all kinds of people – most in fact – succeed through luck playing a HUGE role. Anyone that is truly successful knows this. And conversely, when you see the 48 year old single mother working her ass off on the midnight shift at Burger King (which I did in Ballard for several years) – you know that so many poor people, exactly like my mother, had or have had the worst luck. (And finally, as I made clear in my first post, I most certainly am not a conservative. In fact, of all things, I actually voted for Sawant back in the day!) Again, I would appreciate your honest response… Read more »

elenchos
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elenchos

You’re a phony sockpuppet. You make up this supposedly liberal backstory and then when it comes to the hear and now, you spew the standard Dori Monson line. You are not the first “first time poster” to suddenly chime in when Harley’s socks are feeling bad about themselves. You are not the first sudden ‘former liberal’ to spew this same exact tale, only to pad your dittohead crap.

You’re a phony and your game is lame.

Thales
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Thales

Elenchus – God knows what the history of this site is, but if that literally is your response (and I guess it is), then this certainly isn’t worth my time (or yours frankly). (For the record, my mom, in her late 70s, started a program to feed meals to underserved kids in schools – when she ‘retired’ in her mid 80s, her program had served over 100,000 meals.) To this day she cannot eat cheddar cheese, because that was the ‘free’ food her family got from family services, and she was forced to eat so much, it literally disgusts her today. If you cannot see this – all my posts, frankly – as honest, then that speaks for itself.

BAM
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BAM

Who’s the rich guy in Fremont?

BAM
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BAM

I just asked a question and I get 8 votes down.

Homeless On the Range
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Homeless On the Range

Watch out, you’re gonna get downvoted for asking why you got downvoted. I’m not sure this ‘vote’ thing is representative of anything, but it sure is amusing to watch.

Stranger Editor
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Stranger Editor

Actually the comment vote thing is very Seattle passive aggressive, and quite funny for it.

For example if you say “I heard this racist on the bus yesterday say he wished all the trans freaks would take their junkie pets and get out of town” or “looking at old photos of Seattle makes me cry because it wasn’t yet ruined by fat libtards and screaming hobos” etc would likely not get down voted as much as if you were, say, the actual “racist on the bus”.

Lampchop
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Lampchop

Free cheese is not cheddar. lol

Hayduke
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Hayduke

LOL, you too? I voted not just for Sawant years ago but Elenchos’s his hero, Mike O’Brien. Considering what they’ve done to our city, I still haven’t forgiven myself for it. I’m doing pennance and trying to make up for my mistakes by actively working against them.

Lampchop
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Lampchop

If you voted for her you don’t live in Ballard.

Pork Pie
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Pork Pie

Hey stupid, the first time she ran was when SCC seats were all at-large, in 2013.

Lampchop
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Lampchop

” Anyone that is truly successful knows this. ” LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Hayduke
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Hayduke

Funny, when my daughter was 6, she was always saying “that’s not fair!”

Yes, Elenchos, you are right. ( That proverb about a broken clock comes to mind right about now.) Life isn’t fair sometimes. Deal with it and suck it up. It does you and no one else any good to constantly bitch and moan about it.

Lampchop
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Lampchop

LOLOLOL Lockstep for the “rules.” This is how fascism starts. Trains run on time also.

Homeless On the Range
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Homeless On the Range

One could say fascism starts by shouting down dissenting voices…something both sides on this particular board seem to be guilty of.

Lampchop
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Lampchop

If I ran this board I would say everyone has a right to post. I just laugh at most.

Jeff Gordon
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Jeff Gordon

Was it the wine-drinking soccer mom who complains about the bridge being up?

Really?
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Really?

Aww- come on, I thought that was funny

Someonewhoactullycares
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Someonewhoactullycares

Good God People . I wasn’t aware that this forum was just for debating who is the alpha dog. Same bitching from same people post after post
(Elenchos)

Someonewhoac.tullycares
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Someonewhoac.tullycares

Always the same posers
Thales and elenchos.
.

Someonewhoactullycares
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Someonewhoactullycares

I would love to post my opinions but already know who’s going to jump to be the first to tell me that what I feel or think is not the norm….

Lampchop
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Lampchop

Soccer is for pussies.

Scott D.
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Scott D.

Elenchos for president. Elenchos for king. Elenchos for everything. Elenchos this. Elenchos that. When the F did this site become the Elenchos show? This is not all about you, although, it IS all about what you’ve allowed to happen and continue to tolerate in the name of pride/ignorance. And the magic continues on with down voting from all of your smug arrogant followers. Where is your church? I want to poop on your sidewalk.

Truth
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Truth

So it’s OK for Harley Lever to pollute the comment sections with his baseless, factless, “LOOK HOW LOUD I CAN YELL” shit-posts, but it’s not OK for Elenchos to respond to his garbage comments with facts? Did you forget to take your meds again Scott?

Stranger Editor
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Stranger Editor

Truth, once again, there are many people other than Harley Lever who are fed up with the chaos and lawlessness. That you insist on calling us all “Harley” just adds a level of insanity to your already bass-ackwards takes on every issue here.

Truth
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Truth

chaos and lawlessness

I’m not sure we live in the same universe, let alone the same neighborhood, Harley.

Friendly Neighbor
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Friendly Neighbor

Pretty sure if a junkie abused someone’s precious “dog baby” all the local papers would run it like the crime of the century. Abuse a kid?
“Meh, kids are gross move to Bellevue.”

Everybody who wants Ballard to turn into Crapitol Hill raise your hands.
This is the root of all the disagreement about Ballard crime and filth.

People who like L.A. or think SF is “fine” will not understand the kinds of expectations people traditionally have in Ballard. I apologize for using a dirty word like “tradition”, as I was not intending to trigger anyone.

Lampchop
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Lampchop

Thankfully Ballard is changing and is no longer just the bastion of old drunken Scandinavian racists.

Friendly Neighbor
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Friendly Neighbor

Yes, now we have junkies. Thanks. The Scandies are the opposite of “racist”, they are clearly too nice. So here we are.

Socratic method
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Socratic method

elenchos, what is your problem?

Socratic method
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Socratic method

Are you really a troll?

Hayk S
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Hayk S

Where are the security? I thought it is a restricted area? There should be enough people who could have checked it out. I feel sorry for the child. Hope they could find the person who did it.