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  • Started 2 years ago by BuffaloHawk
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  1. BuffaloHawk

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    What is up with people not even hesitating to stop when they come to crosswalks. I live on 65th Ave NW & 3rd Ave NW area. I am always walking with my 4 year old on 65th Ave NW. Whenever we go to cross the street we always make sure that we go to the crosswalk area. I swear even after we start to walk in the crosswalk it still takes a few cars that pass by before someone finally stops.Friday when going to the zoo we where in the crosswalk on Phinney Ave accross from the zoo. Common sense would say chances are that there are alot of children and families in the area. We where halfway accross the street and some idiot still belew through the crosswalk and just missed taking us out.

    Rant over .. Thanks

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  2. iPlod

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    Yep, it's the big city. A**holes abound. (Or abide)

    Did you get a pic of the perp?

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  3. BuffaloHawk

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    No.. Didn't even think about that I was to busy shouting a new vocabulary for my daugher to learn. I know he heard me becuase he turned around and sped off. It really amazes me how bad 65th Ave NW is when there is so much foot traffic including kids and dogs.

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    Drivers don't tend to learn the rules around here. Combine that with minimal to nonexistent enforcement of violations and you get what we have now, drivers convinced that they're all above average and can do no wrong. Half of them don't even know they're supposed to stop for someone in a crosswalk let alone someone crossing at ANY intersection.

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    Actually, my pet peeve is that....I don't think cars should stop for pedestrians. It is dangerous because one lane often can't see the reason the other lane has stopped. And many people come from areas where pedestrians do not have the right of way.

    I never expect a car to stop and if one does stop for me I do not walk out (and be taken out in the next lane....no way). I wave the car on. I also teach my daughter to wait for the gap - do not cross in front of traffic.

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  6. anotherballardite

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    I know it is the law to stop - and I do when I'm driving. But generally....I'm agin it.

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  7. BuffaloHawk

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    Another.. We waited at the crosswalk until it was safe to go and made sure we looked both ways. We where already 1/2 way accross the street when the car came flying by without any hesitation. We needed to get to the other side of the street to get to our destination. We didn't jaywalk and followed the law by finding a crosswalk to utilize.I have talked to her about traffic and how to cross the street the correct way. It is so rare for people to automatically stop that the 4 year old even waves and says Thank You when they do stop

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    I agree with you, anotherballardite.

    Plus, it's bad for our carbon footprints to slow down, stop, & re-accelerate a multi-ton hydrocarbon belching vehicle just because a lightweight methane emitting biped thinks they're more important.

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    Here's a bit of advice BuffaloHawk (I learned this when my kids were young)...

    If you are crossing a remotely busy street like Phinney/Gwd/8th/15th etc etc - find a crosswalk with traffic lights. You may have to walk a bit further but it's worth it. I figured that out after me and the young 'un nearly got run over more than a few times.

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  10. iPlod

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    Seriously, though.

    That's a bad intersection, BH.

    Teach your kids how to survive without expecting the "rules" to keep them safe.

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    PG & I

    If we are crossing 8th Ave Nw & 65th Ave Nw we always use the signal light to out advantage. When we go to Bambino's for tea and hot choclate we use the crosswalk near the collision shop to get there. We don't just run out in front try to wait until there are no cars passing. I agree 65th Ave NW can be very busy at times and you would think after a long pereiod of time waiting that it wouldn't take as long to have people let you cross. I always take 3rd Ave Nw to 145th and if I see people at the crosswalk I always let them cross. Hell being from NY we didn't inherit these manners. It still amazes me that there are not more fatalities on Aurora Ave. It is like playing Frogger with the amount of jaywalkers running out into traffic all hours of the day

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    "We don't just run out in front try to wait until there are no cars passing."

    BH...

    Didn't imply that at all. I was just trying to say that those streets/(some)drivers are unpredictable so it's best to look for a crosswalk with a light.

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  13. iPlod

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    Yes, look for a crosswalk with a ligature.

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  14. BuffaloHawk

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    PG

    Now that you mention it you would think they would have more lights on Phinney accross from the zoo or even a lighted crosswalk where you can push the button

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    Wholeheartedly agree, BuffaloHawk.

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    Ok, I know this is the type of thread I should avoid but....
    Yes, a pedestrian can never assume a driver will stop for them just because they are in a legal crossing. But WTF. What the OP describes is hardy a rare occurance. I see drivers blow through the red light on 24th by the 7-11 stop light all the time. So, even in a lighted crossing we risk getting run over. Can't drivers at least TRY to obey the laws? For the safety of all?

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  17. iPlod

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    @ Nora Bell

    Funny, I quit driving to that 7-11 because it was so damned risky to drive back out. :P

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    Yeah, and I thnk that light gets blown through so often because the crossways street is pretty much a low traffic side street. They run that light because they *can*. And the sharp blind turns cars take into that 7-11 have my heart shooting up to my throat. Yikes!

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    Nora Bell, I hate that intersection! I've almost been ran over by bikes though, not cars! One the one hand, I'm impressed with the speed they've gained while going uphill. On the other hand, getting hit by a bike would suck and at dusk it's hard to see them coming when they don't have lights. I know it's a pain to stop on a bike when you're going up hill but if you have a red light, run it, and have to swerve to avoid the pedestrian who is legally crossing with a walk sign, you're doing it wrong. Why not just bike one or two streets over and not have to worry about stop lights?

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  20. Ballardemician

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    Sadly enough Seattle is the best American city I've ever seen when it come to stopping for pedestrians in crosswalks, at corners, etc. 15-20 years ago it was much better though; as we are getting bigger we are losing the Skando-orderly/polite thing more and more.

    In my informal polling during the years of pushing baby strollers, the group most likely to stop is construction workers/ tradesmen. To a fault these guys stopped to let me and baby cross. Least likely was women under 40 who were even slight better than average looking, even if they had kids in the car -- nearly never stopped.

    The cops should enforce crosswalks! It's a super-lucrative sting to set up, does a lot to make people drive more safely, and IMO enforces against a highly dangerous anti-social behavior.

    Oh and to the notion that we pedestrian need to be responsible for keeping ourselves safe from cars. Absolutely! But look at cities where driver all act as if they have the right of way (defacto -- this isn't actually legal anywhere) -- the pedestrian death rates are obscene. In the city of Buenos Aires for instance 500 pedestrians are killed annually. We want to enforce the opposite mindset if we want to keep our pedestrian death and injury rates low.

    Safe walkin' BufHawk

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    I think there are multiple causes for failing to stop at crosswalks - many of them listed here, but I have a few to add.
    Note, none of this excuses what happened to BH.

    First, in many states, unless a crosswalk is marked, pedestrians do not have the right of way. I believe California is the biggest, closest one. When you come here from there and get a driver's license - there's nothing that you get that clearly states the differences between laws there and here. The 90 page driver's manual full of typos and incorrect information (they should simply skip their first aid section and their airbag information among others), doesn't do it's job. The "stop for me, it's the law" signs only at marked crosswalks, don't help, only further mislead.

    Second, according to an couple of city employees I talked with about this issue (different location) unless you are standing in the crosswalk area on the street, you do not have the right of way. Waiting on the curb at a corner or crosswalk, doesn't count. There are good reasons for this, but on streets like Phinney, that takes a leap of faith.

    Interestingly, more signalized crosswalks make the problem worse, as drivers rush through unmarked or unsignaled crosswalks in the area at an even higher rate than before.

    I also get really frustrated with pedestrians I see weekly or more, who wait on the corner 3 feet back while they have a block of free space to cross, then step out in front of my car when I'm 40 feet away.

    No easy solutions.

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  22. phoo

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    I think it's largely a lack of communication, and somewhat a cultural thing. I'm guessing you wouldn't be nearly as upset if although the driver didn't stop, they showed that they saw you by slowing down and giving you a wide berth. Still not the law, but not likely to kill you either.

    Cars pass quickly and near each other all the time and as long as everyone obeys the rules (even if they technically break the law by turning into the far lane, etc), everything works out. Folks who haven't been a pedestrian for a long time have forgotten how frightening it is for a car to pass within 6 inches of you at 20mph and the wind generated by their car. Car vs pedestrian culture.

    Instead what happens is the driver sees you, sees that they'll miss you (assuming you keep progressing at the same rate in the same direction) and that is good enough for them. You are supposed to psychically know that they see you and have judged that 6" of space is enough. They assume you will follow the rules as if you were a vehicle.

    OTOH (and not applicable here) is a pedestrian phenomenon that my friend who lived in the Green Lake area used to see all the time. Pedestrians would stroll out into the middle of traffic (not at a corner or crosswalk), stepping right smack in front of car. This would cause an emergency on his part to brake very hard to avoid hitting the walker, who would in turn yell and make obscene gestures at him as if it was his fault for not psychically knowing the guy was going to cross the road.

    Of course, there's always the impatient drivers who just have to pass me in the right turn lane because I am in the regular right hand lane and have the audacity to go the speed limit. I always assume they are the kind of people who will get there slower because they'll get into an accident sooner or later. I've also been honked at because I treat children like deer. Just because that little girl's foot has hit the curb, doesn't mean she's not going to suddenly let go of mommy's hand and dart back into the road to pick up a barrett or something I can't see. So I don't make that right turn until they are clearly moving on. At the same time, I've driven through a crosswalk with people in it. They were adults, I was moving very slowly and they were walking through the opposing lane of traffic.

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  23. Ballardemician

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    Catherine very interesting info -- learned sumthin'. I thought that like in WA right of way went to the pedestrian at non-cross walk intersections in all states, but not so!

    Phoo your care around children is much appreciated

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    That sucks, BuffaloHawk. Especially since your daughter was recklessly endangered.

    It's already been said, but pedestrian safety is a shared responsibility. I recommend you assume nothing when crossing a street--even if there's a red light in your favor and you've got the little white "walk" sign lit. Rules and signs won't stop a ton of metal.

    So: stop your stride. Make eye contact with each driver before proceeding into the motorway. And keep looking both ways *as* you cross, to watch out for what killed that kid on Crown Hill a couple years ago: one car in one of two lanes of northbound traffic stopped for a ped, while the other car in the other lane didn't.

    In other words, take Wil Wheaton's rules for driving and keep them in mind while walking:

    1. Everyone on the road is an idiot,
    2. and they’re actively trying to kill you.

    Oh! And stay extra alert during rush hours. Not only is there increased traffic with people in a hurry, but they're also not paying attention. They're texting, talking "hands free", minding their kids which they just picked up from daycare, or stuck on autopilot and therefore completely oblivious to and unable to deal with anything out of the ordinary.

    Stay alert, and be safe.

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    Everyone that posted thank for alot of great advice

    ENTP.. need to be aware of your surrounding 24/7 . It seems that alot of the early morning crashes recently are the result of DUI's 6am 7am etc. Whenever I see someone with a handicap license plate I do what it takes to get around them since alot are on prescription meds and probably haven't been sober in years

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    BH - Great advice! Next time I accelerate into you and try and kill you and your children, I'll be sure to put down my smart phone, and take a double dose of pills. I really want to get it right this time.

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  27. BuffaloHawk

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    EDOG.. Thanks

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    Wow. Such a dim view of handicapped drivers. I also see a lack of knowledge about prescription drugs and pain. I understand that it's not common knowledge, but it can in fact be more dangerous to drive in pain than it is to be on a prescription that takes the pain away without making you high or otherwise foggy. Yes, even opiates that would make a person not in pain high if taken correctly can be completely absorbed by the pain leaving the person to function normally. However, not all meds that treat pain are opiates (or marijuana) and not all prescription meds are pain meds. It is just as likely that someone without that handicap license plate is on something. And as a bonus, that person without the license plate may be inexperienced taking that cold med (or codiene cough syrup, new rx med, etc) and doesn't realize they shouldn't be driving, whereas the handicap fellow may know when it's not ok to drive and makes allowances in their life for those days.

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  29. Edog

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    Phoo - That line about meds is a joke.

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  30. BuffaloHawk

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    EDOG-Thanks again

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    Impaired is impaired whether or not it's from lack of sleep, cold medicine, pain, or pain medication. There are many forms of impairment and as a driver, I think people have the responsibility to know if they shouldn't be driving.

    I did not know that in Calif peds didn't have the right of way if they weren't in a crosswalk. I don't stop for peds anyway if they aren't in one, even up here. If I slammed on my brakes each time I saw someone try to dart across Aurora, I'd be rear-ended on a weekly basis. I think you are always safer to be at a light but even then have the knowledge that someone might run it. On my normal run route, there is a crosswalk going across one lane in each direction. As a rule I have to wait maybe 5-7 cars before someone stops and even then sometimes the cars going the other direction don't stop right away. Silly drivers but usually I am grateful for the rest however short.

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    teig- Aurora is insane and I take it eveyday to my office in Lynnwood. It amazes me the amount of jaywalkers not even 50 feet away from a signal light or the crosswalk that just zoom in front of traffic. I was driving South last summer at about 40 miles per hour and the light at 200th accross from Costco was green. There was some sketchy looking guy that ran in front of me so I laid on the horn. He started to come towards and luckily a police car observed what was going on and put on his lights and in my rearview mirrow saw him going towards the guy

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    Edog: There are multiple sentences about meds in my previous post, so I don't know which one specifically you are referring to.

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    BH, yay! I always see them, sometimes right UNDER skybridges. I wish they would get confronted because it's dangerous and it's just as dangerous if someone slams on their brakes for them. Not in your case, that is, because you had to but the polite drivers who think "Oh, I'll let them cross". That Costco area is pretty wild too, lots of sketchy type people.

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    teig

    The stretch of Aurora near Parkers casino is sketchy 24-7. I think the smoke shop at the crosswalk is open 24 hours. When I am waiting at the crosswalk signal I say the rosary

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    BH, there's a part of the Interurban that goes right behind that area. It's not quite as bad on the bike just because I'm going a bit faster but if I'm running I try to hold my breath (lots of smoking) and look very purposeful. There's even been times I pretend like I see someone I know way far in the horizon. Yup, very sketchy back there.

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  37. Magsy U. Acorn

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    Unicorns love skybridges. The bring us closer to the sun.

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  38. iPlod

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    Yep, we humans have been building them ever since that unfortunate Icarus incident.

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  39. Magsy U. Acorn

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    Iplod you look like an Ass. I think you should change your picture to somthing with more pink and purple stardust in it. Bring on the headless horses. Wherever they may roam.

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    Sadly, we who look like asses can only dream of dusty pink star purples.
    As we look up from rolling in the mud, our misty eyed yearnings to be just like you are all we can offer in support of your noble presence.

    >snerk<

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    I wonder what would happen if you crossed a Unicorn with a Donkey, as opposed to a horse? A mule with a horn?

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  42. teigyr

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    and sparkles

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  43. teigyr

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    http://shoreline.komonews.com/news/911/car-strikes-pedestrian-aurora-ave/641950

    speaking of, that is RIGHT in that same area.

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  44. Magsy U. Acorn

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    Crossing a donkey with a unicorn is against the laws of the universe and heavens. I would be branded for my sin and our foul would be a ugly tormented creature.

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    teig- Aurora is insane and I take it eveyday to my office in Lynnwood. It amazes me the amount of jaywalkers not even 50 feet away from a signal light or the crosswalk that just zoom in front of traffic. I was driving South last summer at about 40 miles per hour and the light at 200th accross from Costco was green. There was some sketchy looking guy that ran in front of me so I laid on the horn. He started to come towards and luckily a police car observed what was going on and put on his lights and in my rearview mirrow saw him going towards the guy

    teig.. call me Nostradamus.. It is creepy that we spoke of it yesterday.

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    Creepy yes. BuffaloHawk do you realize how many weirdoes post on this site and have access to the things contained in its walls? You should probably describe things related to your filly in more general terms than you do. Magsy is a warm fuzzy protector. Others are trolls. Others are worse.

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    Mags

    Thanks for the heads up. I really didn't think many weirdos came to this site since it seems pretty friendly for the most part. It really doesn't seem to get as heated as other places I have been

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    bh, you'd be surprised.

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  49. Ballardemician

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    Magsy what's the minimum number needed to complete the circle at one of your unicorn get togethers? I'm gonna guess five, four if you haven't been skipping yoga class ...

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    I'd like to hang out at that crosswalk all day, and then over-react on a suspected vehicle, demand it stop, pound on the hood, pull the occupants out of the car and have them stoned tp death in Greenwood.

    Who's with me?

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    "BuffaloHawk do you realize how many weirdoes post on this site and have access to the things contained in its walls? You should probably describe things related to your filly in more general terms than you do. Magsy is a warm fuzzy protector. Others are trolls. Others are worse."
    Could someone explain to me what this means. Seems like something that would be useful to know if I'm on the site but.... I know trolls are people who pretend to be someone they're not - I think - of course that doesn't make sense to me since we all have avatars. Sometimes I'm a little too literal so if someone could enlighten me. And what does the "filly" refer to? I get the reference to the unicorn being a type of horse but ...

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    Oh, and as far as the original post to this thread. All great advice about taking it upon yourself to keep yourself safe. Don't depend on other drivers or on lights. As a teenager, I had a driving instructor that put this question on a test "What does a green light mean?" Everyone answered "to go" We all got it wrong. The answer was "that the electricity is working" Just because the light turns green doesn't mean someone will stop. At 12 I saw a crossing guard (an adult) get hit by a nice couple who were looking at a for sale sign on a house. She flew several feet. I will never forget it. I consider myself a careful, aware driver but I have "zoned out" and done dumb stuff and am thankfull I've never hurt anyone.

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  53. Ballardemician

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    lifeisamazing the unicorn is recommending that people be aware there are many more sets of random eyes reading this board than actively posting, and that therefore bufhawk might want to limit the info broadcast about his location/patterns/family composition.

    Unicorns though communicate in such a deeply ironic mode that even they don't know if they're sincere or mocking in sentiment. They can't even be sure that they don't know what they mean, so ironic they are.

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  54. lifeisamazing

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    Thank you Ballardemician, OK so what is a troll?

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    Trolls are people who post on sites merely to stir up controversy and inflame the situation. They like to get something going and than sit back and watch the cat fight. Common wisdom on trolls is "Don't feed the trolls." i.e. don't respond to their posts because it just keeps them going. Streaker Troll, however, is not a troll. His name refers to his original avatar, a blue-haired troll doll.

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  56. lifeisamazing

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    Thanks Cate. Too bad they’re called trolls. I like trolls. Nordic trolls, troll dolls. Too bad they're not called tomatoes. I don't like tomatoes.

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