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Racial assault on a black person in Ballard. No Arrests?

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    commuteramo

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    Hello forum,

    Long time reader first time poster.

    Here is a report from Komo

    http://ballard.komonews.com/news/crime/719981-police-ballard-delivery-man-attacked-being-black

    It says 5 guys outside a 'club' (?) in Ballard threw rocks at a black delivery guy and then surrounded him and two white women whom they were hitting on previously, that came to his aid. They were yelling slurs.

    After the whole deal with the black police officer that was assaulted at a Ballard bar + the racial slurs that vandals have been painting around the area, Im beginning to question is this the same guys, or is there a change in culture in greater Ballard happening under peoples noses?

    The man gave a report of where the individuals were, and even a name, but no arrests were made. Has anyone heard about this? Also, someone in the comments hints that it may have been the Eagles 'club'...is there any word on that as well?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  2. gracie

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    It's on the home page here. Made me sick to read it. I wonder if anyone was arrested. Sure hope so. Idiots like this need to be caught.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  3. Oly

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    The Black cop was charged with assault after he assaulted a women and kicked a defenseless man in the head.

    Posted 1 year ago #
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    ^ Wasnt it the two guys that assaulted the woman? I remember the video of them being interviewed where they rather boldly said they didnt believe a (racial expletive) could be a cop.

    Whats with the growing number of stupid criminals (and racists)? I commute through Ballard and often shop/eat at Ballard, but this kind of thing is worrisome.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  5. gracie

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    +1 commuteramo That is what happened.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. RichY

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    commuteramo
    The 2 guys said the officer was drunk, assaulted a woman then threatened them with his gun saying he was a police officer.

    http://www.seattlepi.com/local/komo/article/Seattle-police-officer-charged-in-Ballard-assault-1457444.php

    not racially motivated - just the policeman not able to maintain professionalism

    not like this

    http://yourblackworld.net/2012/02/black-news/police-brutally-beat-high-school-students-threaten-stuff-video/

    Posted 1 year ago #
  7. BallardTrees

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    Can you spell g-h-e-t-t-o? I have observed bad stuff going on, including harrassment of "vulnerable populations", in this neighborhood, apparently without repercussion. I think the roots of intolerance, inaction, and, yes, violence are very deep here. BTW: I know many, many others will attest to the opposite, perhaps with great vitriol. That's perfectly fine.

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  8. Edog

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    I'll say this down economy has lead to a very trashy looking Ballard, but if you think this is a ghetto, I'll invite you to visit a city that actually has a ghetto.

    Still, this is part of a distubing trend. Even if the a*s clowns who did this are not a sign of some sort of racial shift of attitudes in Ballard, it certainly is getting rougher out there.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  9. RichY

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    Edog
    I think they have been here but are getting bolder because they are getting away with it, such as what happened last night, have a name, witness, but no arrest or inquiry

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  10. Edog

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    I'll agree with that. I've seen some of this downtown where the police just don't want to deal with anything that is not murder. I don't know if they are stretched too thin, or if the prosecuter does not have funds, or what, but part of law enforcement is making an example. So it might seem like petty crap, but if its flagrant enough you nail something as simple as fighting - where two idiots are both asking for it - to the wall with maximum fines, and maybe even a night or two in the county jail. Word gets out and clowns adjust.

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    I was able to brag about something like this never happening in Ballard. Now, I'm really disappointed, whether the individuals involved are from Ballard or not.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  13. Ghetto? getto over that.

    this incident is blattantly awful and blattantly racist. Is the SPD working in Ballard?

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    Ballard is becoming the new Belltown. What they are kicking of out Belltown is coming to Fremont and Ballard. Eventually we will have some cops but only after a few shootings. And it's not people from Ballard.

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    We get the SPD coverage we pay for and if we aren't willing to pay for it or we can't pay for it, the underfunded SPD cannot be blamed. We have the system we deserve, under these circumstances.

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    SunriseSunset +1

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  17. Ernie

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    SunriseSunset +2

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    According to the police report, one of the suspects was wearing a Portland Trailblazer jacket, another was in a Mariners jersey. A witness told police that he recognized the men, that they frequented his place of business, and knew the last name of one suspect.

    I always wonder about racists fans of pro sports teams. If they have such a hatred of people that aren't white do they boo or cheer when a non white person scores for there team?I am also amazed by people with confederate flags on the pick up trucks cranking rap music.

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    SunriseSunset +3

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  20. ballardmike

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    I, for one, would like to meet these two ass-hats (mr Mariners and mr Trailblazers) and take them for a little chat about bein' neighborly.

    Twats.

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    SunriseSunset +4

    We may not have an adequate police force, but at least we have brand new electric cars for city employees to get to appointments.

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    SunriseSunset, our police are the highest paid in Wa state and the 4th highest in the Western US, these problems are not pay -they are poor training and bad supervision and the lack of punishment for the "few bad cops".

    And when is pay an issue for doing a bad job, most of this has happened after Gil Kerlikowske left Seattle.

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    I was thinking the same thing RichY was thinking. Aside from LA, San Fran and San Diego (larger cities than Seattle), I believe Seattle Police (but not King County Sheriffs or highway Patrol) have the highest pay rates west of the Mississippi. After 5 years, it can reach as high as over 100 grand a year. Thats really high. Given a few of the problems highlighted by some (or many?) metro officers, I dont think pay is the issue here.

    Either way, aside from a curious lack of enforcement upon the offenders in this case, Im still more worried about whether this is becoming a trend or is this an isolated group of drunks at one bar or club which a habit of pulling this kind of crap?

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    I would say this is an isolated incident that is not becoming a trend.

    if I were out w/ some friends and we witnessed this happening, some of my pals would've jumped right in to avenge this 'hate crime'. and my friends are nothing special--I think most people partying down there would be outraged by this.

    so, they were throwing rocks? why are there rocks lying about in front of a bar anyway?

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  25. SunriseSunset

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    My comment is not about salaries or training or electric cars.

    My comment is that we have inadequate numbers of SPD officers to cover the territory.

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  26. Ernie

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    SunriseSunset +1

    Again.

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    SunriseSunset -

    Your point was understood. It's a budgetary issue, and unfortunately the City and many people in it choose to waste money on ridiculously less important things than public safety.

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  28. BuffaloHawk

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    More cops / Less bike lanes ;)

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  29. gracie

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    SS +5

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    thomaschh +1

    Remember, McGinn will hold a Neighborhood Town Hall at the Ballard Landmark (5433 Leary Ave NW.) on Tuesday, February 28th from 5 to 6 p.m. If you want to show up and say something you need to get there early.

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  31. onederfullone

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    We pay too much for too few cops. Period.

    If we pay more? we get even less.

    Lood at SPS, for just one example. Sorry.

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    SS: I think it goes deeper than that. I can't comment on whether SPD here is good or not, seeing as how they've never showed up when I called. However, not all the blame rests on the police for that.

    I've come to realize the 911 system here seems to be deeply flawed. I do not know what is to blame for this issue - if it's a culture thing, if the operators are overworked, or if they are too burned out and should be retired. I do know that they are more likely than not to not send help. I expect a 911 operator to sound flatly calm, but I do not expect her to sound absolutely bored. That is exactly what I experience here in Seattle.

    My first experience with 911 was hearing a domestic violence episode just after I landed here. It was inside an apartment and I was standing just out of sight debating calling 911. I decided I would and just at that moment, a neighbor came out. She explained that if she called, they wouldn't come because she called too much. I was going to call anyways, so I accepted the cordless phone she handed me and I called. The woman kept saying I needed to make it sound more urgent than it was. I certainly wasn't going to lie, but did make it clear that the situation sounded dangerous. The 911 operator asked me about the address I was calling from - it showed up as the neighbor's address of course. I told her I was just passing by, the neighbor came out and I used her phone. After that, I got the distinct impression that the call was de-escalated at best.

    This is just one story - when I called for a fight in Fremont, it was obvious no one would be sent out if there weren't weapons involved. And of course there is the infamous case of the 911 operator who told the social worker "the police have to respond to emergency calls first" when she knew something was wrong at the Powell place. It probably would not have made much difference with how fast it happened, but that's hindsight and the response was still inappropriate.

    Something is deeply wrong with Seattle's entire system - it's not just one thing you can point to. Is 911 having to make judgement* calls because there aren't enough police to go around? That's a HORRIBLY flawed system, both for those in need of help and for the operators who should not have to have that responsibility put on them.

    *We all know a normal operator has to make judgement calls, but I'm speaking of having to decide whether someone is going to die or just be terribly injured before dispatching help. Rightly, both should have help dispatched to them and you never know which is which.

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    Time for Ballard to get its own Phoenix Jones. Maybe he'll be called Lutefisk Larry.

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    I think another issue with the SPD is that there are so few police officers that live in Seattle -- the figure is just 18%. I understand you can't force them to live in Seattle, but they make enough money to. I just wonder how much they actually care about problems in Seattle just so long as the problems don't move to their neighborhoods. It will be interesting to see how the Ballard Chamber of Commerce deals with the issue by having the changes they are making and looking toward a Ballard Improvement Association that will assess fees to businesses to hire off duty cops just like Belltown and downtown Seattle have done.

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    phoo +1

    I have shared another story about 911, plus, SPD apathy.

    We pay them all too much.

    We get too little.

    I'd suggest you all holster up, let the lawyers fish for chum...

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    Let me tell you something, Onder. You are one dumb HONKY but I like you, Onder, cuase your my neighbor! Get'er DUN!

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    I thought most police officers didn't live where they worked? The ones I've known haven't and I guess I assumed they wanted to separate work and home. Granted Seattle is huge but it wouldn't be so great if someone they arrested actually lived near them, especially if that person felt a bit slighted and the officer had a spouse and/or children that are more vulnerable than the officer him/herself.

    I'd say part of the problem is that there are too few officers to go around. 911 operators do have to prioritize and that can't be very pleasant for them.

    I don't know any SPD folk but have had friends and relatives who are law enforcement in California. For the good ones it's a brutal job with a lot of stress and little respect. Unfortunately the good ones burn out and it seems like we're left with the not so good ones.

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    Unfortunately the good ones burn out and it seems like we're left with the not so good ones.

    The not so good ones get paid. very. well. It's quite the racket lately, kick some ass, duck some accountability, and complain they are too few to give a crap.

    E-dog, I'm not a hooker, back off.

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    Im still not so sure this is an SPD issue, rather than either a community issue or a 'isolated gang of idiots' issue.

    While I definitely dont think the police are to blame in doing for not doing something in this case, to be honest with all the issues coming out about missing dash cams, assaults on latin and black Seattlites, the question of whether they are actively 'making up' charges for arrested individuals, and the whole overuse of force issue that the feds brought up, I cant really say I feel any empathy for the Seattle Police. But I dont think they are the problem here.

    I just get the feeling this is the work of a select 'group' of bar regs or 'club' members that frequent a few of the popular spots in Ballard (and possibly Freemont).

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  40. Ballardemician

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    SS is right. Seattle has one of the smallest cop to citizen ratio of major metro cities -- 21.6 per thousand. The only other cities with ratios this low are sprawling sub-urban boulevard cities where fewer cops drive 60mph to cover bigger territories. We are way below cities that are structurally similar to us.

    Our cop to citizen ratio is actually lower than it was ten years ago.

    http://publicola.com/2010/07/15/dsa-seattle-has-fewer-cops-per-capita-than-10-years-ago/

    It would also be a huge advantage if all of our cops didn't live in Kent, Kenmore, etc. Do you think local beat cops would overlook problems like the one described here if their kids went to Ballard High? Not a chance. What should be happening is that the subsidized city housing being built near Disco Park ought to be reserved and incentivized for cops and fire fighter, public school teachers, and then other middle-income public-contact public servants, in that order. Instead we have other worthy priorities for that housing; fine but won't result in as much of a socially positive ripple effect as having public servants fully invested in the neighborhood.

    Note that I'm no lover of police -- had plenty of abuse and encounters with total jerks in my time -- but in the end most cops are pretty decent and if they are invested in the area they'll make it nicer for all of us.

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    Ballardemician +1

    You're right about all public servants. I think if some of Seattle's Planning Department lived in the City, they might also care a bit more about the neighborhoods.

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