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Bullseye Shooter Supply .. Seriously !!!!

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  • Started 11 months ago by BuffaloHawk
  • Latest reply from RichY
  1. BuffaloHawk

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    I am surprised they haven't opened a shop at Seattle Center.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47639979/ns/local_news-seattle_wa/#.T8kL81Kz8f0

    Investigators have traced the guns through a federal database and discovered Stawicki purchased handguns earlier this year at Bullseye Shooter Supply in Tacoma. Preliminary information shows the sale was legal because Stawicki had no felonies or restrictions to buy firearms.

    Bullseye made national headlines in 2002 following the D.C. sniper killings that left 10 people dead. A trace of the bushmaster rifle that John Muhammed and Lee Malvo trained on innocent civilians revealed that it came from Bullseye.

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  2. onederfullone

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    You know, it's just plain chicken-shit to pick on a retailer for selling a legal item to a legal buyer.

    Focus on why this POS was STILL a legal buyer, please.

    fwiw.

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    for someone always clamoring that delivery people need to be more vigilante about leaving packages on porches when fishy cars are following them, I'd say it's not chicken-shit at all.

    if this same store sold weapons/ammunition to disturbed people looking to kill, they should be investigated. that's total b.s. that they have no responsibility.

    they're like the bartender serving that 10th drink then handing you your keys.

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  4. Edog

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    Onder I get that legally there is nothing that can be done, but speaking as someone who lived in DC during that sniper sh*t I don't care. This guys store has been tied to two different shooting sprees by total fucking lunatics. What are the odds of that? If he has to shut down, because of the outrage... f*ck him! 14 people are dead because of shit this guy sold! And I did not count the maimed, so take that as a low ball number.

    Dead, gone, cut off, not coming back.

    Of course our outrage at this will only serve to feed the madness the gun industry and NRA has fostered all these years. The more we complain about this guy, the more I'm sure he will sell because the gun industries entire model for making policy is about stoking and creating an unreasonable army of lunatics who will do anything to buy another gun! And they will make him a hero a real civil libertarian!

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  5. RichY

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    I am sure Safeway sold him food also - god if could not eat he would not have shot anyone.

    Maybe the first time, I side with Oneder on this

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  6. Apple

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    Upon a quick read of the article it appears that the current owner is not the same person who owned it in 2002.

    Just to be devil's advocate here, will someone who is outraged by this explain to me how a shop legally allowed to sell a legal product and does so to a person with no felonies or other restrictions on their right to purchase said legal product, has done something wrong? Should each seller of firearms, again a legal product, be required to conduct a psychological test on the proposed buyer? Should sellers of rat poison be liable for people who purchase and misuse the product to poison others?

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  7. VeganBiker

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    Apple +1

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  8. Edog

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    I don't think its unreasonable to require an business to shut down if they have been tied to two different shooing sprees carried out by insane f*cking maniacs even if they were legal at the time of purchase. I think that would be a fine new law. Of course the odds of this are about as likely as hitting the lottery so what should it matter, but oddly to one business it does matter. Do not pass go!

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  9. Apple

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    That is the definition of unreasonable. You are advoacting that the government arbitrarliy seize a citizen's property related to legal firearm sales. I am glad the Due Process Clause of our Constitution prevents any such seizure of a citizen's property by the government.

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  10. RichY

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    edog, Many, as you say, insane f*cking maniacs, have worked at McDonalds - maybe that is where they become insane, we should shut them down also, What about schools they attended, it was most likely their fault, let’s stop putting kids in schools.

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  11. onederfullone

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    lmao, you are on it RY.

    schools, they are allowing absolute fucking lunatics to attend. God help us.

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    Siding with oneder and others on this. How would the shop have known? BTW, I can pretty much guarantee you cars sold by (insert name of dealer here) have probably violently killed more people than any gun shop. Do we hold auto dealerships accountable for selling cars to people unqualified to be behind the wheel? OTOH, this shop was no doubt owned by someone who is a NRA supporter and contributor and the NRA has a long history of opposing ANY sensible gun regulations. I remember when I lived in AZ and the NRA was opposed to banning high school students from bringing guns to school. I swear I'm not making that up. The NRA really needs to stop seeing every attempt to REGULATE firearms possession as an attempt to BAN firearms. The two are not the same and the NRA needs to stop catering to lunatics and conspiracy theorists and instead focus more on the majority of gun owners who are sane and responsible owners.

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  13. boatgeek

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    The total facebooking lunatic had a concealed carry permit, so I gotta side with oneder et al on this one as well. Clearly, he shouldn't have had the carry permit, so the question becomes how the state goes about removing those permits from people who shouldn't have them. He wasn't convicted of a crime, so no dice there. I'm not sure what the right solution is, but it seems like there were plenty of warning signs in this case.

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  14. gracie

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    Under law, these stores do a felony check - thus why you can't just walk in, buy a gun that day and walk out. If a person's rap sheet shows they have been charged with a felony charge of violence, if they have ever been in a mental institution, they cannot own a gun. And from what I read, this shooter had in "recent" times started to display mental issues. This gun was purchased ten years ago. He could have been more mentally stable at that point. If the store does not do a records check, they are in violation. If the shooter was visibly mental when he came to pick up his gun, I would imagine the owners of store should call the police to handle it if they were smart.

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  15. Edog

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    I know what I suggested is absurd as a matter of policy, and it would only be science fiction to start to imagine a policy vehicle or mechanism that could close the business.

    So really all I can offer is pure f*cking outrage at the situation that their culbability in this is so quckly dismissed. Mind you not emotion but outrage - perfectly clear and measured - that we shrug our shoulders and say "yeah, we'll it was all legal" as if that outweighs the 14 people who were murderded, and that large sections of two different major metropolitan areas went into emergency lockdown becuse the prinicipal tools, used for their manifest purpose, used in those crimes and civic emergencies came from this single business!"

    And let me repeat that last line for those of you who were making specious arguements earlier... "the prinicipal tools, used for their manifest purpose, used in those crimes and civic emergencies came from this single business!"

    What are the odds of that? Hypothetically, if there were a civil case where damages were sought for this, for their small portion of culpability Bulleye's would be required to finance the debt of a small nation. I know it will never happen, but don't expect me to be quiet about it if the hypothetical comes up.

    And as unreasonable as my position sounds in the abstract, it nothing less resonable than the real policy making atmosphere created by NRA. Don't think you can sway this group towards reasonable gun laws. They know that if they go down that road they lose. In the 70s as an association and an industry, they knew sensible guns laws meant less sales in a world where gun sales were already declining. Their collective response to this was to foster the exact kind of gun mania we have today. The path to reasonable is the path to regulation, and they can make more money without it.

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  16. RichY

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    "the prinicipal tools, used for their manifest purpose, were used in those crimes and civic emergencies came from this single business!"

    As did many of the guns that the police use - Bullseye is one of the larger sporting goods store in Tacoma, and many of our law enforcement folks frequent the store and the indoor gun range.

    I feel your outrage - but total security means no freedoms

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    how does a bartender know a patron is inebriated (assuming they drank before coming in)

    this dude would've given off a bad vibe that should've prevented him from buying bullets.

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    you should hang his parents too. make about as much sense. If i run over you with my car should we ban cars and hang the dealer?

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  19. onederfullone

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    Edog, I hope you understand I share your angst. I think it's pointed in the wrong direction. That is all.

    Too many opportunities to relinquish this individuals rights to purchase or bare arms.

    A gun store keeps records, (how else would we know where a weapon is acquired?)
    A gun store checks records, (how else would they know who they can legally sell to?)
    A gun store is required to subject us to a five-day waiting period by law (enter homer, "But, I'm angry Now!!!") Shallow, ineffective, but it's the law.

    Point your angst at the numerous targets that are very rich for this, please.

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  20. onederfullone

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    this dude would've given off a bad vibe that should've prevented him from buying bullets.

    wow, I'm glad in your next life you'll be checking my ID for my ammo.

    btw, my sketchy behavior is in response to your allergic response to anything lead.
    Maybe you should stick to jacketed wad-cutters...

    ...or hollow points. lol

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    "Their collective response to this was to foster the exact kind of gun mania we have today. The path to reasonable is the path to regulation, and they can make more money without it."

    Damn straight. I grew up in a cop family so I grew up with guns in the house. Everyone on our block had guns back then for hunting and/or target shooting and as kids we all wound up learning to shoot them and also how to handle them safely. I remember taking NRA sponsored safety classes and seeing my old mans American Rifleman magazine which mostly seemed to focus on hunting. These days it seems the NRA is largely a fear mongering organization - indeed when I look on the NRA website almost every article on their homepage is about making people afraid that their right to carry is being taken away and you know when this happens they'll be preyed upon by murderers and muggers (you know, the ones like Treyvon Martin). There's not one article on the homepage about hunting, target shooting or gun safety. NONE. On the site for their publications the first featured article is "Choosing a Home Defense Gun" and one of the prominently featured options is a M-4 carbine - the same weapon carried by much of our military. Of the three remaining featured articles one is about a receiver that will allow you to make your rifle look like a Mk 18 carbine as carried by the SEALs while another is a review of the SCAR (Special operations forces Combat Assault Rifle). WTF? These people claim to represent the average gun owner? I know a lot of gun owners and none are interested in maintaining a military grade arsenal in their homes. Kind of ironic that the people with the guns seem to be the ones most afraid.

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  22. Cougar Bob

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    Parceling some of the blame to fast food and corporate grocery stores isn't that outrageous. Its fair to say that the purveyors of food that is addictive, highly processed, nutrient devoid, high in sugar and industrial trans-fats, and NATURAL FLAVORS contribute to poor brain health. Having said that I don't what the hell his diet was.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2006/jan/15/socialcare.food

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  23. BuffaloHawk

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    I think before selling a gun to a consumer that they should also do a background check on a persons medical history. I wonder how many people taking hard core prescription medicine for depression have guns.

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    Seaspider - you mentioned before your dad worked in Burglary. Was that Seattle? If so, just curious if I might have known him - obviously wouldn't ask you to put your last name here but how about just first name of your dad? I knew some Burglary detectives through a family friend.

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  25. onederfullone

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    Square peg, round hole.

    emphasis...hole.

    I know, I'm shocked that 'Average gun owner' has evolved. Sheeesh.

    It would be much easier for you all if their knuckles dragged and they weilded a wooden club. At least you'd have something to point at and snicker...

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    'It would be much easier for you all if their knuckles dragged and they weilded a wooden club. '

    sadly that is where evolotion has failed us. to say that average citizens carrying guns is 'progress' is laughable.

    I guess most of you gun-toters are creationists anyway.

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  27. RichY

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    SeaSpider, not sure what NRA page you are looking at but the home page:

    http://home.nra.org/#/nraorg

    it has the NRA women's network, leg news, hunting and shooting
    none of what you described

    on a side note:
    CDC: There is no zombie apocalypse
    http://blog.seattlepi.com/thebigblog/2012/06/01/cdc-there-is-no-zombie-apocalypse/

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  28. pennygirl

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    The CDC? Their warnings/non warnings are always off base :-)

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  29. onederfullone

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    sadly that is where evolotion has failed us

    so says the guy looking in the mirror...

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  30. iPlod

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    "14 people are dead because of shit this guy sold!"

    Edog, more people are stabbed to death with kitchen knives in King county than shot with guns.

    Should we go after Sur La Table & Bed Bath & Beyond also?

    Don't get me going on how exponentially many more are lost to auto accidents vs guns but where is the sensational press coverage on that? Should we go after Ford or Honda?

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  31. Nora Bell

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    From what I've heard, including interviews with the shooter's father, he had previous mental issues. How and where he got a gun is moot, imo. If he had previous hints of mental problems why wasn't he treated? Or was he treated but not efficiently?

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  32. iPlod

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    Exactly, NB.

    Or, how can we efficiently protect ourselves from potentially lethal loose cannons devastatingly going off when we least expect it?

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  33. pennygirl

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    Nora...

    Sadly, there are tons of people who don't seek help for mental issues. Usually, they aren't aware that they need help (or just don't want it) and the family just dismisses them as the 'weird one'. Others who do get help often come off their meds due to the side effects.

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    "Or, how can we efficiently protect ourselves from potentially lethal loose cannons devastatingly going off when we least expect it?"

    how about by not letting every tom, dick and harry own a gun?

    it's really that simple. to think otherwise is dense.

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  35. pennygirl

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    Makes sense to me.

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  36. iPlod

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    Go ahead gi, and figure out how to constitutionally pick out which tom, dick or harry can not own a gun due to incipient psychological issues. I'm too dense.

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  37. pennygirl

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    Tom, Dick and Harry refers to people as a whole iPlod. If GI's using the saying correctly it means everyone/anyone.

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  38. pennygirl

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    Then again he could be referring to Tom, Dick and Harry.

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    Washington State is one of the most difficult states to civilly commit a mentally ill person. The article was written in 2008 and it has only gotten much worse since then. The problem is three fold. The requirements for commitment or involuntary treatment require such severe impairment that it is very hard to have an ill person reach that standard. Second, Washington state is 47th out of 50 in the number of beds per capita available for treatment making placement for treatment very difficult. And finally, the state is not mandated to provide mental health services at any given level so funding is not available to provide effective out patient services to those who need it. Unless you have good private insurance it is difficult to obtain adequate mental health services in Washington state even if you want them. If you don't want them, very unlikely you can be forced into treatment. It is a mess that threatens our society.
    http://www.seattlepi.com/default/article/Mental-health-system-ailing-1293720.php

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  40. iPlod

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    My point is, why do we need more government rules to tell us how to, or not to, protect our lives?

    The Constitution tells us how because that's how we told the government we wanted to be told how. Get it?

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  41. BuffaloHawk

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    Give them a shopping cart on there way out and then deny there prescriptions and allow them to purchase a gun for protection on those long cold nights..

    WTF... We have bike lanes may as well make space for shopping cart lanes.

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    "My point is, why do we need more government rules to tell us how to, or not to, protect our lives?

    The Constitution tells us how because that's how we told the government we wanted to be told how. Get it?"

    we told the government that we wanted to carry guns almost 300 years ago. the times are a changin'--your average citizen does not need to carry a gun anymore.

    and yes--tom, dick, and harry is basically everyone.

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  43. anotherballardite

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    Ironically, Stawicki fits the profile of a person the NRA and many gun nuts think make us all safer:
    -He was a skilled marksman
    -His guns were all legally purchased and permitted
    -He had no mental or criminal records

    If anyone is culpable in this mess it is his family for not following through on conviction when they called the police on one of his outbursts. That would have at least established a paper trail to support his supposed mental illness.

    BTW - how many people does each of us know, even peripherally, who sits alone in a basement somewhere, heavily armed? Someone obviously "not quite there" but has no criminal or mental health records that preclude he(or she) from purchasing more weaponry. I can think of two people within my broad circle of acquaintances who fit that description.

    However, the news incidents of the prior weeks are to be expected in a city completely gutted of police and mental health services by a citizenry who desire guns more than taxes.

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    Hey, don't worry - the city will pass laws banning guns in all sorts of places.

    They'll put up a bunch of signs. Problem solved!

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  45. RichY

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    GI,

    we told the government that we wanted to carry guns almost 300 years ago. the times are a changin'--your average citizen does not need to carry a gun anymore.

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    That amendment is to protect us from our government, and maintain a free state - if needed.

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  46. anotherballardite

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    Do you REALLY think a rifle will protect you from the government?

    Welcome to the 18th century!!!

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  47. RichY

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    anotherballardite, I cannot predict the future, but history has shown us that, yes, it will.

    Posted 11 months ago #

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