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stuffy house (also plants)

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  1. phoo

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    Something I've come to learn about my new place is it is stuffy. I don't mean "gee, it's a little stuffy in here." I mean that upon opening the front door to fresh air, you wonder if the house has been making you ill, the air seems so unhealthy. The fix for this is easy with opening 2-3 windows and blasting fans full bore, but this will not work out well in the wintertime, and I'm assuming turning on electric heat will exacerbate this situation.

    A friend suggested getting an air purifier and has one that works for him that's only $40. I think it's a great idea (it smells kinda funny in here due to the carpet and my friend had an asthma attack after visiting). But I think that's only one step.

    Something else I've had suggested is plants. Let me make this clear, I am a brown thumb. I have on occasion had a garden because something grown will keep longer in the ground than if I buy it and don't get to it for a week. I'd plant, then promptly not maintain. If I couldn't eat them, I did not plant them. When I was a child, I killed desert plants through not watering them.

    But the air in here is awful! I am willing to give plants a go, but I need something pretty maintenance free and easy. Bonus of course if it's a cooking herb. :) I do have a ceiling hook installed over a lamp with a CFL installed (I don't turn it on as much these days). Not sure how sturdy it is, but it's there. I have room on the kitchen counters for some small pots. And I could probably put one medium sized one on my desk (although the problem with plants is they grow... so maybe a small one). Given that I prefer a lack of maintenance, I'd prefer to get pots that are way too big for these plants so they have tons of growing room so they don't have to be transplanted until maybe next year, or however that works. :)

    I know there are plant people here, so I am betting I will hear some good things. Just remember, please assume NO knowledge. I know plants are green. They need water. They need some kind of pebbles or whatever at the bottom of the pot for drainage and sometimes they need transplanting. You buy them at a store. They breathe in CO2 and breathe out O2, unless they die and then they release the C. That is what I know.

    Actually, I did do a google about stuffiness and came across the houseplants and read that "pothos" an spiderplants are very easy, but don't know much more than that. I figured that getting info from my friends here would be more useful. I kinda don't want to end up with some really huge monstrosity that becomes unweildy to find a place for, not to mention moving it around.

    Any other tips about getting this place less stuffy, I am all ears. I wondered about negative ions, but generally considered it a rather dubious gimmick kind of thing. Space here is at a premium and I'm not rich, so I'm not gonna collect all manner of "just in case it works." One of those desk waterfalls falls into this category unless you can state a truly compelling reason (it would probably just make me even more thirsty all the time! :).

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  2. great idea

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    rubber plants are very easy to grow and are one of the better air purifying plants I've been told.

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  3. PlantLover

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    NASA did a study on this years ago. They did find that spiderplants are really good at improving indoor air quality. Given your circumstances, a bonus is that they are hanging plants so they won't take up surface area. On the negative side, the tips tend to turn brown - some say in response to chlorine in the water, but I don't think it has been proven - so they can look pretty ragged. But they aren't too hard to take care of beyond that.

    I don't know of other ways to make a place less stuffy. Our house is old and leaky, so the air quality is good but we keep it kind of cold to reduce heating costs.

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  4. pandabur

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    This would be a good question for people in stuffy offices too! I did a quick search, found this:

    http://webecoist.momtastic.com/2009/04/08/air-purifying-plants/

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  5. Apple

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    Do you have a new house? Lots of new construction is built so tight to meet the energy code that the air gets stuffy. These homes typically have a whole house fan that runs on a timer a bit every day to bring in fresh air. If this is the case, you can set the timer to run more. This is not a problem with older houses. My 1928 house "breathes" way more than I would like, no matter how well I patch the obvious holes.

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  6. phoo

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    actually, there may be some wisdom in having only ONE large plant. Ultimately it may take up less real estate and then I will have only one to deal with. IF just the one can handle the kitchen and living room. I am definitely becoming convinced on the spider plant too though. Also the spider plant is probably cheaper than a big tree-like thing. The bamboo bush looked nice.

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  7. phoo

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    I am confused. "If the air where you live has gotten stale and dry, English ivy (or Hedera helix) might be just the ticket! WebMD describes the effervescent plant as “a fix for allergies“, noting that 60% of airborne mold in the room vanished just 6 hours after English ivy was brought in."

    Note the "stale and DRY" (emphasis added). Why would there be mold if it were dry and why would adding moisture (a plant) make the mold situation better? Ugh, I hate it when plant soil gets moldy. That's the last thing I need.

    It's a good write up, and surprisingly, the spider plant was absent. The rubber plant (it looks small enough) might be a good addition to perch in the bedroom to help the air in there.

    ETA: Apparently, any Palm will get Big. That sounds like a bad idea. I should probably stick to something smaller.

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  8. Alferd Packer

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    We had a rubber plant in about a 2-gallon pot for several years. It was moderate size, didn't need much care, looked OK in spite of neglect. That was, until we got our second cat who refused to acknowledge the plant's right to exist. No idea about the air cleansing properties though.

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  9. PlantLover

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    http://recyclingair.blogspot.com/2011/06/15-houseplants-to-improve-indoor-air.html If you don't want to go with the hanging plants, dracaenas and bamboo palms have a relatively narrow form.

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  10. Mondoman

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    Strongly suggest avoiding hanging plants from ceiling fire sprinklers!
    Even a brown thumb can easily grow a luscious carpet of fuzziness -- just dump sugary drinks on the carpet and incubate at room temp for some days.

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  11. phoo

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    Mondoman: I'm pretty sure I could transplant some of the moss from the hulking F250 Ranger outside into my bathroom where it would grow well given the lack of fan in there. It would smell better than the carpet does in here. :)

    PL: Thanks for another good link. I am getting some good ideas. I am sold on the spider plant. It is specifically mentioned for the plant stupid/novice. I just hope that ceiling hook holds. I swapped lights so it's got a little more room. It's near a window too, even if the window is frequently blinded. :)

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  12. gracie

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    I moved into a place in Greenwood once - and seems previous tenant had lots of pets - all kinds - lizards, canaries (that apparently were out of the cage most of the time), fish, cats, dogs. To say it had an "odor" - oh yeah. After airing it out for about a week just couldn't get rid of that odor. Then i bought a big bunch of dried Eucalyptus and it freshened the air. I was going to a health club at that time that had a Eucalyptus room to help with sinuses & figured won't hurt to try. Not sure if this will help your situation, phoo. But at least you won't have to worry about watering - it's already dead!

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  13. phoo

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    gracie: well, the carpet does smell a bit funny, but the largest problem seems to be the lack of air flow. The place is such a "dead zone" it is almost mystical. In fact, especially weird because this occurred even before I put a draft tube around the 1/2" crack under the door. Wind would gust through there all the time, but it didn't change the stuffiness in here. I think maybe Zuul has a buddy and they built my building strangely to attract him. Even today when it's not exactly warm out, it's warm and stuffy in here. I have 3 windows open, all with fans in them. I usually need at least two - one to pull the air in and one to suck it out. I think the slightly funny smell would largely iron itself out if I got the air quality/airflow issue solved. However, if I see free Eucalyptus being given away, I may avail myself just the same.

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  14. great idea

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    get yourself a fan phoo.

    keep it oscillating 24/7.

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  15. jburgh

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    phoo - If you have a pet, make sure the plant(s) you choose are not poisonous. You just never know when a pet will decide to chew on a plant.

    Ionizers are not gimmicky. Most of the airborne allergens have a positive electrical charge. Ionizers pump out negatively charged particles, which cause the positive ones to "fall out."

    As a person who is allergic to so much, we invested in a decent air cleaner/ionizer called the HEPA-Tech. It is made by Holmes and I bought it at Freddies. But keep your eye open at places like Goodwill, and garage sales. These appliances do require periodic filter changes, which will add to the expense.

    The other thing I would suggest is having the carpets cleaned..that is if your new place is new to you, and has carpets that may not have been thoroughly cleaned.

    What type of electric heating do you have...forced air, radiant? Could ducts be full of dust? There are carbon filters you can put under the vent grate to trap dust. We use these, too. Also, keep the furnace filter clean or changed regularly.

    One more recommendation. If you feel the musty smell is in the carpet, and you cannot afford to have someone come in to steam clean them, try spraying with Nature's Miracle, let dry, then vacuum. Nature's Miracle is an enzymatic cleaner that breaks down odor causing molecules...a must have if you own any pets.

    I hope you find a solution, if the air smells bad, then it for sure isn't something you should be inhaling.

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  16. phoo

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    jburgh:

    I don't have any pets. Electric heat is baseboard.

    The carpet looked dirty when I moved in, but I suspect the "funny smell" (smelled almost sweet or perfumey) was from someone attempting (and failing miserably) to clean the carpets. The carpets were also installed incorrectly here - I will have to sell the roomba because it won't run with the wrinkles in the carpet. If I do all this air improving stuff and a funny smell persists, I'll try the enzyme.

    How much do you pay for the replacement filters and how much was the initial investment?

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    phoo: We have the model 30375, which is Hunter, not Holmes, sorry. It was about $150. It isn't made anymore, but I see a 30378 on Amazon.com that looks identical. The filters run about $25, and are replaced 1-2 times a year, depending on how dirty the air is. The prefilters run about $10 each and I replace about twice a year. I vacuum the prefilter, and that extends the life. So that adds up to $35-70 maintenance per year. I've had it for at least 5 years.

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    PlantLover: I bet you have some nurseries you can recommend. I can probably pick up the spider plant at fred meyer, but I also like the Mother In Law's Tongue plant. I like this too: http://www.denverplants.com/foliage/html/drwarncn.htm but am figuring it will be too expensive, especially with also getting an air cleaner. I'll stick to cheaper plants. Both the MiLT and Spider like to be rootbound, which is perfect for my lackidasical care.

    jburgh: thanks for the info! That's not too bad for filters.

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  19. stopgo

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    you should move out.

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  20. phoo

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    My 12 month lease says otherwise.

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  21. stopgo

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    you're resourceful. break it.

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  22. DDF

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    This is not ok. You must have something in the lease about mold, hazardous conditions, etc. Get out of that lease!

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  23. DDF

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    Seriously. Move out. Don't wait until health issues force you. You have a really good case. Buying a spider plant won't solve any environmental issues from living in that place. Mold spores can get in your lungs and cause real damage. Break the lease and move somewher that smells fresh.

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  24. phoo

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    I think conclusions are being jumped to. Having very stuffy stagnant air does not necessarily equal mold.

    BTW, you can't break a lease (and get away with it) without evidence. Think photos or an expert opinion.

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  25. phoo

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    GI: Simplest solutions first. I'll try your idea. Then an air cleaner. I may also get plants. I really like the MiLT.

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    With ionizers, there can be problems with the ozone output. My father has breathing problems (as do I) and have been warned against them. We have an old old dusty house with cats. I have air movement by a air purifier (just a normal input/output one with a bunch of filters), a couple of dehumidifiers if we need them, and I try to get rid of allergens as I can. It could be the musty no air flow smell is just a "nobody has been here for a while" smell. I've had that in hotel rooms sometimes.

    Could be nastiness under the carpet, esp if it is buckled. Maybe sprinkle baking soda on it and vacuum it up. Same goes for anything that might absorb an odor.

    I have no sense of smell so I can smell different vs. normal or in bad times, it's breathing vs. not so good breathing. My guess is you'll make the allergens go away as you clean but plants never hurt. Try to get airflow through there esp now while you can and even silly things like open baking soda boxes in various places might help.

    Oh and if you get plants, be sure to dust the leaves sometimes. That's a whole new thing in itself :)

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  27. angeline

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    Mother-in-law Tongue is a great choice. Mine lived through like 6 months of me forgetting to water it. Not that I recommend that sort of plant care, but things happen! Christmas cactus is another good choice for people who might not be the best at plant care; plus if it gets enough light it will bloom. Peace lily will bloom even without light, although I'm pretty sure it expects to be watered.

    If you think the carpet was cleaned badly, those units you rent at the store do a good job of steam-cleaning for only about $25 and they are easy to use. I don't buy the brand of carpet cleaner soap that goes with the rental cleaner. You can find cheaper ones in the cleaning aisle or at Cash'n'Carry, and the cheaper ones also seem to be less perfumey. Do it on a warm sunny day when you will be home long enough to keep doors and windows open & fans running.

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  28. gracie

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    phoo, you can buy branches of Eucalptus in stores like Joanne's, sometimes Safeway, QFC or a florist.
    And have you considered having the owner of this property come over & spend some time in your place - to see what you are experiencing. Then maybe that person can hire someone to check it out & see what is causing this. It is their property, after all and should be taken care of by them.

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  29. phoo

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    I'm thinking the carpet is just plain stained and needs to be replaced. I have a lot of furniture, so there's only so much carpet showing anyways. Perhaps I'll pick up some eucalyptus next time I go to Joanns.

    Thanks teigyr, I will definitely take those allergen suggestions. Even if a person doesn't truly have allergies, they can sometimes still be affected by a sensitivity.

    Interesting thing about the carpet - I realized yesterday that it's not just that it's all buckled and wrinkled... the floorboards are wacky too. there's a full "hump" at one spot in the floor. So when you see the roomba go up in the classifieds, it's not cause it doesn't work, it's cause it doesn't work on this "special" floor. :) It can take a little muscle even with the regular vaccuum on the high carpet setting.

    I am not going to involve the landlord until after I've tried self help remedies and this issue persists or proves to be threat.

    Today I am leaving the windows closed and trying to fan experiment.

    Posted 1 year ago #

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