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HoneyBucket at Ballard Commons

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  • Started 11 months ago by Compass Rose
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  1. eric

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    edog is spot on. enough with the "nimby" all purpose defense.

    its not there for any reason other than for the homeless folks - obviously people will be shooting up in there and who knows what else. how do i know that? well, thats what happens in all sketchy porta potties. whats a sketchy porta potty? one dropped in a park where drunks, drug dealers/addicts/ etc are known to frequent.

    will they get rid of it, ever, or is this a wonderfully permenant situation? doesn't every church in ballard have some program going on? lastly, isn't this what the "urban rest stop" thing is for (whenever its finished)?

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  2. Compass Rose

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    Exactly, Eric. That's precisely what Urban Rest Stop is for. And if memory serves, there will be a similar facility on the ground floor of the low-income seniors center that's supposed to be built on 57th just east of the park.

    I encourage everyone who isn't pleased about this to write Edwin Obras (see Norge's post above for details).

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  3. oldHippyGirl

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    Some more ideas --

    Porta-potties are not the same as the old-timey gag-inducing pit toilets. They are pumped out and cleaned on a regular schedule based on expected usage, filled with chemicals that keep away the smells, and often even have hand-sanitizer. Many of us have used them at Folklife, Fremont Street Fair, construction sites, etc. They don't smell of poop. The companies that rent-out and service them most definitely work to keep them clean and user-friendly. Sometimes they get sun-faded on the outside, but that's not the case with the one at the park. So let's drop the horror about having poop in the park.

    My dad would ask me to add the elderly to the list of people who "gotta go and now". So we've got toddlers, coffee drinkers, old folks, skateboarders and restaurant/bar patrons on a walk home... all who would use this. Oh, and maybe 10 homeless folks.

    Finally, if there are needles and such problems, the police could increase patrols and get that under control.

    I wrote to the Human Services Dept as well, thanking them. Hopefully not everyone is so terrified of the homeless that the bathroom is removed.

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  4. pennygirl

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    It depends how often they service it oldHippyGirl. If it's less than every couple of days, then, yes - it will stink of poop.

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    oldHippyGirl - It's nice to see someone likes Honey Buckets. But, do you really think a mother would take their toddler into a Honey Bucket used by homeless people? Would your 80 y/o mother really use a Honey Bucket after a homeless person? Your dad maybe but not your mother. Remember, if they remove the Honey Bucket from the Park, there is still one over at the church kiddie corner to the park that you can use.

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  6. pennygirl

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    I don't think it has anything to do with whether the person is homeless Norge - I don't think any mother would take their toddler into a Honey Bucket that is constantly used. Germs and all that crap.

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  7. Ernie

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    You couldn't pay me to go into a HoneyBucket or any other type of outhouse. Yuck.

    Well, aren't you special.

    As someone who has worked plenty of jobs where, I guess, I was paid to use the porta-potty, I can tell you that they are not that gross, even on an 85 degree day. If you don't like it don't use it...and the people who do want to use it? Get over yourself, you're not better than them.

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    I disagree with you pennygirl. I think that the nature of the crowd using the Honey Bucket could determine who used it. I know it would for me. One example -- in a national forest campground where the only facilities were Honey Buckets or along the route of a marathon. But I do know that I would not follow a messed up drunk or a junkie into a Honey Bucket.

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  9. pennygirl

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    Don't know who you were quoting Ernie but my comment was about taking small children to use the bathroom. It usually requires tons of hand washing etc which isn't exactly feasible in a honey bucket. Also, it isn't anything to do with the temp on any given day, it's how often they are serviced. A Honey Bucket in the middle of winter stinks if it hasn't been cleaned for a week.

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  10. Ernie

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    My comment has nothing to do with you PG. If you read up the thread you'll understand.

    Honey Buckets have hand sanitizer in them.

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  11. pixlpete

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    I had a horrible thought whilst peeing in a Honey Bucket at the Fremont Fair… miscreants and fools are now probably taking straight shots of hand sanitizer in the Honey Bucket, tax free booze, Socialist booze!

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  12. BuffaloHawk

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    Finally, if there are needles and such problems, the police could increase patrols and get that under control.

    Honestly.. Increase patrols.. We cut back on our police force to buy white paint for bike lanes.

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  13. Compass Rose

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    "Well, aren't you special.

    As someone who has worked plenty of jobs where, I guess, I was paid to use the porta-potty, I can tell you that they are not that gross, even on an 85 degree day. If you don't like it don't use it...and the people who do want to use it? Get over yourself, you're not better than them."

    Don't worry; I don't use them. They're disgusting, regardless of what you say. I'd be happy if I never had to use a public bathroom again.

    Don't take it personally, Ernie. I just don't want to get that close to any stranger's bodily functions.

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  14. Compass Rose

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    And HippyGirl, I'm not sure who you're referring to, but I'm hardly "terrified" by the homeless.

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  15. teigyr

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    The bathrooms that were downtown, the ones we spent so much money on, were havens for prostitution and drugs. What would make these any different?

    Porta-potties are nasty. I've used them too at outdoor concerts and races but they were just put out for the event and aren't as bad as they could be had they been out longer. Would I go in one otherwise? Probably not, I'd avoid it at all possible. I'm not scared of the homeless but I am scared of needles, disease/germs, and extreme lack of cleanliness.

    I'm going to generalize now but I'd say your average person out hiking (and I have used the bathrooms at Tiger Mountain) are a bit more considerate of the next patron than quite a bit of our less than stellar public.

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  16. Compass Rose

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    I wish there was a like button here.

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    The city's top priority is coddling the bums. We should stencil the following on the door to every honey bucket dropped on Ballard: "The House That McGinn Built"

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  18. Compass Rose

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    Say what you will about Greg Nickels, but he did much more to seriously address and attempt to reduce homelessness than McGinn ever will.

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    Ernie + 1

    I would suspect most of the honey-bucket vandalism (graffitti, M-80's, etc.) would come from our lovely Ballard teens.

    some of the homeless would probably self-police the facility since it's all they've got.

    so it seems like of those that oppose this, about half of you would be o.k. with some saarinen-inspired permanent structure that visually 'fit-in' more, while half of you think all public restrooms are gross and therefore shouldn't exist?
    I love beating this dead horse.

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    My objection is the look of the Honey Bucket, it's location, etc. As I said earlier it stands out like a big sore blue thumb (it is bright blue in color). It has obviously been installed to serve the homeless and is an ugly bandaid for the problem it is supposedly addressing. If we need bathrooms at public parks they should be included in the design, built as a permanent structure, appropriately located in the Park and landscaped. Above all it needs to be well lit, closely monitored and kept clean. If the Human Services Dept. has the power (as said earlier) to require the Parks Dept. to install a Honey Bucket at the Park, they need to ante up the money to build a permanent structure. All the infrastructe to build a bathroom is in place -- location to sewers, power, etc. If the Human Services Dept. cries poor mouth then these non profits (that get taxpayer dollars) who are bringing the chronically homeless to Ballard should pay for the installation (Compass Housing Authority, LIHI and the numerous churches that are hosting the homeless shelters).

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  21. BuffaloHawk

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    I wonder if they could you a picture of the porta potty on the posters advertising "The Ballard Seafoodfest"

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    And ask for donations?

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  23. BuffaloHawk

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    I am saving my donation for Great Ideas sit in ;)

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  24. Edog

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    Again I say, it would be really horrible if the Ballard Bomber blew this up!

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    Ha! GI, oldHippyGirld and her father. I'll even pitch in for the Real Change newspaper!!

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  26. BuddyCianci

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    I invoke the term "NIMBY," and some people are so miffed by its use at all, they fail to see that it's the most concise and appropriate way to describe exactly what's going on here. A port-o-john is an eyesore? Queue the sad violin music. Good luck with moving it out of sight. I hope the City considers your refined sensibilities as important as you do.

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  27. Edog

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    No, Buddy take a neighborhood that is more than beating its density goals, still being asked to grow at a red hot rate, be used as a petri dish for policy by an active and organized lobby for homeless, and its going to get a little emotional. That does not mean the peoples concerns are unfounded, nor should they be bullied into silence with epithets, even if they come off as a little shrill online. Overall I'd say people, who actually live in this narrow corridor are open to change, recognize its inevitable, understand they are probably there because the old place gave way to the new a few years ago, and are coping pretty well with an incredible set of circumstances.

    If you think people are being unreasonable, I suggest you consider the imagery here, because I've think you've missed something, and its pretty powerful.

    The city put a toilet in your yard!

    Regardless of the policy behind it, a portable toilet introduced with little fanfare or announcement in an area the prides itself on public comment, is going to be interpreted as an act by a inconsiderate government, and a lobby that's gone a little too far. Maybe it can be explained in a reasonable way that assuages the general concern, but telling people they should not be concerned about whats happening in their back yard, because whats happening is their back yard is upsetting them does not defuse the situation it makes it worse.

    Its insulting, and its an attempt to bully them into silence.

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    If I'm not mistaken Buddy lives on Queen Anne (looked him up on DEX).

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  29. BuddyCianci

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    Re: "Its insulting, and its an attempt to bully them into silence."

    It takes a bully to know a bully.

    I didn't notice the port-o-john until this thread brought its existence to my attention. I saw it yesterday and think it's unobtrusive. Though, I don't think it improves the look of the park. I certainly agree a better solution is out there. But I believe the port-o-john was installed to help with the public urination and defecation -- things I consider more unsightly than a blue Honey Bucket. I'm comfortable allowing the City to run its trial.

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  30. BuddyCianci

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    Norge, no need to spy. I live 2 blocks away from the Honey Bucket. I used to live in Queen Anne.

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  31. BuffaloHawk

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    I love the smell of a honey bucket in the morning.

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  32. Edog

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    Oh come now, are you saying I bullied you Buddy?

    FWIW - I would not care if Buddy did live on Queen Anne.

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  33. BuddyCianci

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    I'm just saying you're a hypocrite by dismissing my argument as hollow rhetoric when you employ the same tactics. Pot, meet kettle.

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  34. BuddyCianci

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    Anyway... I'm going to stop trolling now. Have a good day.

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  35. pennygirl

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    Has anyone stuck their head inside yet? Had a little look?

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    Not me -- I'm not one to stick my head in and check out Honey Buckets just for the heck of it. I'll leave that up to you pennygirl!!!

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  37. BuffaloHawk

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    I would rather stick my head in the dumpster @ Grocery Outlet during a warm summer week when the garbage collectors are on strike.

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  38. Edog

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    All communication is rhetoric, and rhetoric is merely an attempt to persuade. While I did bring a lot of pressure in my post, I did it with ideas. I criticized the use of nimby not because it is rhetoric, but because it is cheap rhetoric whose purpose is to silence people by shaming them without addressing their concerns. It is base level name calling. While I do that playfully on this site, I usually don't do it about area matters of policy, and certainly did not do it with my previous post.

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  39. onederfullone

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    If anyone would know the definition of rhetoric...

    Pennygirl, I can't leave the basement today, or I would certainly tell you there is no way I'd stick my head in there.

    But, maybe, it's worthy of a front page story, with pictures? ;-)

    Probably not...

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  40. BuffaloHawk

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    Maybe they can replace the sig at the top of the Ballard Forums with a pic of the port a potty ;)

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  41. Corvus

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    I used it on Tuesday. I was at the drugstore and needed to go to bathroom so I ran over there. I have to say it was remarkably clean and not all that smelly. It is handicap accessible so it is extra wide. That makes it easier to use in my opinion. The draw back is that there is no standing urinal. The reason that is bad should be self explanatory.

    On the plus side, I am happy to report that no juvenile MB forum posters will be capable of tipping it over since it is also bolted down. And I didn't see any needles either. On the whole, it was an entirely pleasant outhouse experience.

    The other benefit to an outhouse is that it is regularly maintained by a person who has the training and the equipment to do so safely and is also paid well to do so. The same cannot be said of the the permanent bathrooms at the Community Center.

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  42. BuffaloHawk

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    Corvus

    After reading your review we should post it on Yelp since the reviews are entertaining and after some warm weather I would like to see how many stars it gets.

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  43. Edog

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    So Corvus what you are saying is you've found a job? Congrats! This is a tough economy. What should I tip you for a hand towel?

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  44. Corvus

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    IF that isn't cheap rhetoric, I don't know what is.

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  45. Edog

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    Zing... I'm here all week.

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  46. BuffaloHawk

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    E (temp hijack)

    How is your do doing from the attack earlier in the week ?

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  47. Edog

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    Oh she is fine. Five minutes after it happened she was all like what's for dinner, and hell yeah did you see me kick a*s today?

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  48. BuffaloHawk

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    kewl

    and now back to our main event " Port a Pottys and there value to the community"

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  49. great idea

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    give me 2 hours, and I could train edog's be-atch to poop in the port-o-potty.

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  50. Edog

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    What makes you think she has not already.

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  51. Ernie

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    I wonder if they could you a picture of the porta potty on the posters advertising "The Ballard Seafoodfest"

    Good point BH, how does everyone feel about all the porta-potties that they are going to put out for SeafoodFest? I'll be the first to admit that after a blackened salmon sandwich, and 3-4 beers, I'm not going to be too proud to drop the kids off at the pool in one of those bad boys!

    Of course, if you'd rather speed-walk back to your house in the middle of the festivities, knock yourself out.**

    ** this is a generalized sarcastic, trolling comment, not directed at any actual person, living or virtual.

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  52. BuffaloHawk

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    Ernie

    Honestly it may sound strange but when I go to events that take up a decent amount of time if will load up on pepto-bismol before I leave to bind myself up for the day. I used to have a big phobia of public restrooms to drop the kids off at the pool and have been known to leave for the comfort of my own bathroom.

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  53. pixlpete

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    My wife recently admitted that she never actually let her butt touch any surface of a Honey Bucket, not once, in 35+ years.

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  54. teigyr

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    BH, you're like the guy from American Pie.

    pixlpete, your wife must have quads of steel :)

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  55. Compass Rose

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    And you're surprised at that, Pxl?

    My cat is toilet-trained and I doubt I could ever get her to use a HoneyBucket. Not that I would try.

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  56. BuffaloHawk

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    teigyr

    Which character?? I used to enjoy Eugene Levy in SCTV. I also enjoyed him in "Armed and Dangerous" when he wore seatless chaps and John Candy was dressed in drag.

    Good Times haHa ;)

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  57. BallardGMa

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    FWIW, the honey bucket at the commons is to be cleaned daily. I sat back one afternoon to see who the users were. Mostly regular folk walking or biking by. One can successfully use public bathrooms with the hover method - just saying if you gotta go, you gotta go.

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    Those hating on honeybuckets and homeless need to find a real problem to complain about. This public toilet is a non-issue. If the park's really that bad maybe the city should just put another condo there!

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  59. teigyr

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    BH, wasn't it Finch? He was paranoid of the school bathrooms and was given laxatives :)

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  60. I never heard the nickname "honey bucket" before coming to Seattle. It makes me laugh to think this absurd name is used.

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