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   BuffaloHawk
   

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   One of my really good friends Mark Krzos back East took hell when he covered the story and of course having a public Facebook account didn't help either.

   http://www.getreligion.org/2012/08/reporter-learns-difficult-lesson-about-facebook-rants/

   Earlier this month we looked at an incident involving a reporter covering the Chick-Fil-A protest for his paper in Florida. Reporter Mark Krzos had a public Facebook profile. On it, he shared his liberal views, affinity for the Democratic Party and its candidates, and his strong dislike of Chick-Fil-A. He appeared to go so far as to support blocking Chick-Fil-A outlets from being permitted to exist in Boston, for instance.

   A staff writer for the News-Press, a Gannett newspaper in Fort Myers, Florida, Krzos reported that — unlike other reports — he’d seen and heard horrific things at the Chick-Fil-A eat-in he’d covered. He began his discussion of this by saying:

   RE: Chik-fil-A controversy
   I have never felt so alien in my own country as I did today while covering the restaurant’s supporters. The level of hatred, unfounded fear and misinformed people was astoundingly sad. I can’t even print some of the things people said.

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   The people who oppose chick fil a are just as stupid and retarded. It is one mans opinion, one which he is entitled to, and is free to say what he wants and run his business the way he sees fit.

   and before anyone jumps on me I am very much for gay marriage. I am also however for freedom of speech, this is America for fucks sake.

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   Also for gay marriage, long before it was hip.

   You have a right to your own opinion, don't ever expect it to be shared.

   The gunman today at the Family Research Council made a point of mentioning Chick-Fil-A, while sharing his opinion.

   I guess Nobody wants to blame Sara Palin, or the Tea Party for this nut job? I'd like to know how some unhinged liberal got yet another facebooking gun.

   Oh well, lets talk about the strife of lame-stream demagogues.

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   "Internet manners" (yah, I know that's an oxymoron) coming home to roost...

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   'The people who oppose chick fil a are just as stupid and retarded....I am also however for freedom of speech'

   Right. And opposing chick fil a would not fall into free speech. Why are the people who reject this rhetoric retarded for speaking their minds, but the idiot ceo is not? sounds like someone took a LONG time to finish college (poker). having free speech awards you the right to say as you feel. It does not mean anyone has to accept it or not react. Maybe you forgot how this works, it was like 3rd grade when we were taught this stuff, so it might have slipped your mind. free speech does not mean speech without consequences, or grant dumb people immunity from themselves.

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   Did you guys follow the link? The story isn't about Chick-fil-a, it's about Buff's friend, who is supposedly a "journalist" but has no clue how you're supposed to behave in public (Facebook).

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   there's not even a chick-fil-a within like 100 miles of Seattle (Bellingham, then Boise)
   I'm sure it's crap fast food anyway, so why all the fuss?

   "You have a right to your own opinion, don't ever expect it to be shared."

   why wouldn't you expect it? isn't the whole point of these types of threads to debate who understands human nature better?

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   Boise I would expect, but Bellingham??!! Wouldn't have guessed.....

   BTW, B'ham is 90 miles away.

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   People have a right to free speech but people don't have a right to tell someone they can't open a business in their neighborhood just because they don't like the belief system that the business/person has. If you don't want to go to their business, fine, don't go. By going and making a fuss or trying to ban them, it's being a bit hypocritical. YOUR opinion is ok, theirs is not? And by going there and trying to cause a scene is (imo) as bad as the Westboro folk.

   My guess is most of you go to a fair amount of businesses that might support causes you don't or don't support the causes you do. Diversity is a good thing even if it's not quite the diversity you want.

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    When Saul’s servants told him what David had said, Saul replied, “Say to David, ‘The king wants no other price for the bride than a hundred Philistine foreskins, to take revenge on his enemies."

    When the attendants told David these things, he was pleased to become the king’s son-in-law. So before the allotted time elapsed, David took his men with him and went out and killed two hundred Philistines and brought back their foreskins. They counted out the full number to the king so that David might become the king’s son-in-law. Then Saul gave him his daughter Michal in marriage.
    1 Samuel 18:25-27

    Now that's a tradition one could really use to push chicken sandwhiches! Just think, you could pin them on the wall... your collection of sandwhich wrappers I mean. After 200 you get a free mail order bride to do with as you please just like in the old days.

    There is a reason we have separation of church and state. If you want a fine example look at he Taliban. The desire to rule other people's lives based on your own interpretation of God, the desire to save other people from your god, who other people don't recognize, is one of the primary sources for the devil to do his magic. These so called conservatives love to blabber about the constitution, but they don't have half the wits of the gentlemen who wrote it.

    It comes down to this - marriage is no longer a word owned by Christians. It is now a secular word used by a secular government. As such it can be used to apply to any couple that marries. That is what is meant by free speach! Any thing less than that will never hold up in court. The power hungry shallow faithed politi-christians will lose and they can have a chick fil a sandwhich as a consoltation prize.

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    But Chick-Fil-A isn't government. I just find it amusing that the very people who are about freedom are the same people crying foul if someone elses freedom of speech contradicts them. FWIW, I'm for gay marriage but I'm also for non-discrimination. I know it sounds backwards but to me saying you don't want them in your neighborhood is the same as a neighborhood saying they don't want a gay-owned or Muslim business there. If you don't like them, don't go. If enough people feel the same as you, then the business won't succeed.

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    Precisely. The homophobes want to use government to institutionalize their bigotry. So a couple low level government representatives feel their constituents will support a stance against this bigotry and spout off on the news about how they will protect their constituents from these homophobe bigots. Then the same homophobes who started the whole mess with their calls for organized governmental bigotry cry foul and blabber about anti-constitutionalism. It's enought to make your head spin. You say it's not government but they damn sure want it to be, even though to do so would be so blatantly un-constitutional it would really make one wonder if all this talk about protecting the constitution is just that... talk. Cheap talk from bigots trying to put lipstick on their pig snouts.

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    Cheap talk from bigots trying to put lipstick on their pig snouts.

    Exactly.

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    But - it's like that Rushdie novel/film that nobody would have wanted to see except for all the commotion about it. Chick-A-Fil has received a lot of business due to this. I still think they are entitled to their beliefs but isn't it better to not give them publicity especially if you don't like them? Negative publicity is better than no publicity and all of that. I don't think most people get it and social media only makes it worse.

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    chick fil a got a couple one day hits and they will probably be the crappy sandwhich of choice for people of that ilk, but it won't last. chick fil a will recant before long - as soon as this fabricated wedge issue has faded into the past. The youth today, bless their souls, are more gender and color blind than any to have come before. Phelps, Cathy, Huckabee, Santorum, and their ilk ... their days are numbered, and as they fade into obscurity no body will notice.

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    "Phelps, Cathy, Huckabee, Santorum, and their ilk ... their days are numbered,"

    yeah, I knew Michael Phelps was done for as soon as Ryan Lochte said "this is my time!"

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    Why do vicious, hateful and discriminatory comments about gays fall under the umbrella of "well people are entitled to their beliefs". Racial epithets are no longer tolerated.

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    Let's add insults to Republicans and progressives to the sphere of intolerance.

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    I thought I would share his follow up with some of us that stay in contact.

    Thanks for the backing everybody.

    This "controversy" has created a poo ton of discussions in newsrooms all across the country.

    I even heard back that it's now being referred to as the Mark Krzos Rule.

    Here's what transpired:

    1. I posted something that I probably shouldn't have and took it too far.

    2. It was on my own personal FB page and meant for people -- conservatives and liberals alike who know me and are smart enough to know that 1. I was telling the truth, 2. I was upset and 3. I was trying to have fun with it.

    3. I have never seen so much hate and so much love once this story broke.

    4. I was threatened with suspension or termination. Big wigs at corporate wanted me fired, so did all the extreme righties. My editors and reporters all stood by me and backed me 100 percent -- as well as most of the local politicians, government officials, police and fire personnel I have covered over the last 10 years.

    5. Objectivity is retarded. Who do you want writing for you automatons or people who have feelings and passion. My objectivity in my reporting remains unquestioned. Bias has NEVER leaked into my reporting.

    6. If I wanted to make this a bigger issue, I could have under the First Amendment. I didn't because I never wanted this attention.

    7. I resigned but this was only part of the reason. I have seen years go by with furloughs, no pay raises, good reporters who served papers be told to accept retirement offers or else and I have seen newsroom staffs shrink to all-time lows. I did NOT want to be that 50 year old man getting laid off or forced into retirement without any hope for another job.

    8. Prior to all this, I had been interviewing for an advertising and marketing firm as a copywriter. This fiasco made my decision to get out now that much easier.

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    Wasn't there someone else terminated because they "liked" someone who was running against their boss in an election? Unless you're self-employed or retired, it's better to be careful even if it is your right to express your opinion.

    Walt, I'm sure you are joking but I've often thought that. Not all Republicans are bad but it's to the point where you can't even say you are one without a backlash of fury. Didn't the Stranger (or someone) publish the addresses of houses that had Republican political signs on them? Imagine doing that to any other group and it would be construed as hate.

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    I'm serious, teigyr. We too often use insult instead of argument; debate is debased.

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    When Karl Rove joined Republicans at the hip to the far right christians and created the bastard child politichristian called a neocon, they lost pretty much any chance of gaining the support of many independants. It's too bad Republicans can't win on the merits of their financial and limited government arguements. Perhaps that is because those arguments aren't strong enough.

    As for being an outcast for being a Republican, I guess you are speaking about Seattle and your neighborhood specifically becuase in most areas of the country it is probably the opposite. Have a look at one of those red state - blue state maps again.

    Where I work for instance, they don't tolerate 'them librawls' and Democrats are closeted more than gays. Go figure.

    Independants are the only true outcasts because they haven't been purchased by a big money backer yet.

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    Republicans can't win on the merits of limited government and free markets for two reasons: 1) because markets fail and require government intervention. 2) They don't believe in free markets and use government intervention to pick winners.

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    balderdash

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    No - This is balderdash!

    Dave Mustane on Obama!

    “My president,” he told the crowd, making a dramatic gagging gesture, “is trying to pass a gun ban. So he’s staging all of these murders, like the ‘Fast And Furious’ thing down at the border, in Aurora, Colo., all the people that were killed there, and now the beautiful people at the Sikh temple… I don’t know where I’m gonna live if America keeps going the way it’s going because it looks like it’s turning into Nazi America.”

    http://www.salon.com/2012/08/16/megadeths_dave_mustaine_obama_stages_aurora_shootings/

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    E - I saw that the other day also.. ignorant

    Dave Mustane & Ted Nugent vs Devo in a cage match !!! Who wins?

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    balderdash is saying (strait faced) that 1)any private enterprise that fails requires government intervention 2)they don't believe in free markets.

    D.M. is a gem, but not for political thought, clearly.

    Fast and Furious was facebooking stupid, and as yet, only the whistle blowers have suffered for it. Was it politically motivated? Maybe. I know nothing makes folks hate assault rifles more than getting shot by one. Especially a freebie illegal one that was allowed to prance across a border into the hands of criminals.

    Back to reality, lol, it was balderdash.

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    "Dave Mustane & Ted Nugent vs Devo in a cage match" Devo wins of course!

    Dave and the Nudge show up with a gun and bow and exude the pugilistic masculinity. Devo shows looking thin and fem but are dressed in absurd hunting outfits with mossy oak breakup and flourishes of fluorescent orange. Mothersbaugh bates Mustane and the Nudge by carrying a giant foam Buck (for target practice) and egging them on to shoot it, but gets too close for their weapons to be useful. the Nudge and Mustane are all to happy to give the little "f*ggot" a beating start to chase him around the Buck which Mothersbaugh has placed in the middle of the room. Meanwhile the rest of the band goes unnoticed and paints the room fluorescent orange. Once they are done, the Band strips off the Hunting gear to reveal they are wearing fluorescent orange jumps suits, pull orange stockings over their head, and disappear against the wall. Mustane and the Nudge finally get clever and trap Mothersbaugh in the middle of the room with both the Nudge and Mustane on opposing sides of the doomed Devo singer. Our macho hunters glint evil grins and slowly take aim as Mothersbaugh is franticly undressing the the middle of the room. Mustane and the Nudge both shoot at Mothersbaugh's empty hunting clothes as the float to they floor, just as the singer - now in orange complete with stocking cap - leaps into the wall and disappears. Mustane and the Nudge stand quietly with their weapons still trained on each other and fall to the floor dead.

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