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Started 3 years ago by Fauxnothing
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I keep reading everything I can find about the candidates, but I still don't know what to do. Seattle Times came out in favor of Nickels and urges everyone to vote for either Nickels or Mallahan (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/editorials/2009578231_edit02mayor.html).

The Stranger got me thinking more about Mike McGinn: http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/hes-our-only-chance-for-an-actual-debate/Content?oid=1930455 but I truly don't know what to think. I like the fact that McGinn is against the tunnel, but I don't think his options are viable: rerouting traffic to surface streets.

Most of the other candidates don't have a chance, without enough experience or real ideas, they're not viable.

Anyone want to take an opportunity to talk about who you'll vote for and why?

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Oh, great forum topic! I'm glad someone else is as confused as I am.
I'm leaning towards Donaldson. But, you're right, Fauxnothing, there hasn't been much said about anyone but Nickles and McGinn. I pretty much arrived at Donaldson because I liked the way he handled the Magnolia Village Pub meet and greet, and through a process of elimination.
I've never been a Nickles fan, could never stomach voting for him no matter how 'conservative' the competition was. And McGinn is far too environmental. I'm all for fighting off global warming but his ideas are all too much to that side. There has to be some balance.

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Great topic indeed! Personally I have been really following McGinn, but I am never 100% sold on politicians. I really respect the main platforms he's running on. Specifically his stance on the viaduct, education and plans for improving our communication and internet connections. I would love to see the utilities build in a fiber optic option!

I would love to hear any compelling arguments for other candidates!

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Jules

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I wouldn't vote for Nickels unless the only person running against him wss Robert Mugabe.

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Mistadobalina

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What about Goodspaceguy Nelson!? Too bad he isnt running! =(

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Fauxnothing

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Jules,
Would you mind giving a list of the reasons why you are so strongly opposed to Nickels? It would help some of us who are really unsure. Thanks!

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NoraBell

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Goodspace Guy is on the ballot, though, Mistadobalina. He's running for KC Executive. I love that guy. :-)

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Jules

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Well, for starters he awarded Seattle City Light Director Jorge Carrasco last month a $40,000 bonus on top of his over $250,000 a year salary...while the rest of us are watching our utility bills go up and up.

He pulled garbage cans out of the city parks to save $180,000. They might have cut a few staff bonuses instead.

The "bottled water fiasco" http://www.kirotv.com/news/20132778/detail.html

But my main reason is that Nickels is in the pocket of developers.

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Why "no" on Nickels? The first 2 things that come to mind: Several years ago, against federal safety guidelines, to save money he reduced 4-person fire crews to 3-person "attack units" (sounds good except that a 3-person crew's hands are tied until another unit shows up) The SFD had to jump thru all kinds of hoops to get the 4-person crews back. And remember the $1,000,000 self flushing toilets?

As for McGinn, I'm thrilled he wants to axe the tunnel project. But with his Sierra Club background I'm concerned he'll be too obsessed with everything Green. A politician can't have that kind of one topic focus as far as I'm concerned.

Right now I'm leaning towards Mallahan. He wants more cops and a gang unit put back in place, for starters.

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Jules

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I'm voting Mallahan. We NEED more cops, and we need the gang unit. Nickels attempt to "go green" by banning water bottles is a farce, and actually cost the city money that could be used for...well, more cops, for one thing. More firefighters, for another.

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My problem with Nickels is that he's not focused on providing basic services to the city. I was so surprised when I moved here six years ago about how unkept the city is. The street signage is poor and in many cases very difficult to read. The sidewalks (where there are sidewalks) are dirty and roads need repairing. There are bums everywhere on the streets, parks & living in cars. I rarely see police cars or patrols. The utilities are very expensive. Nickels seems very focused on his own "green" agenda and if everything else that he should be focused on was working, I'd say go crazy. But I'd have to say that it is detracting from basic services. I laugh out loud when I hear criticism of Nickels that he is too "Chicago" like in his approach. I lived in Chicago for 10 years and Daley made it safe and beautiful; the sidewalks powerwashed, the streets swept, trees and flowers planted everywhere, wrought iron fencing added to parks, and the bums pushed out and the police were visable. The city was easy to live in and attracted lots of growth. I hope Daley retires to Seattle and could help us spiff the place up. Also, compared to my time in the cities of Chicago & Denver, out utilities & taxes are much higher here and I just don't see where the money is going.

I'm not sure who to vote for either. Fauxnothing, like you I was interested in McGinn because of his anti tunnel stance but then I heard he believed the best alternative was surface streets so he's a no go for me. The tunnel in my opinion is a boon doggle but not replacing the viaduct is worse.

I like Donaldson's platform of slowing government spending and reducing burdens on business because I believe it will help our economy but will he get enough votes and does he have enough experience to be a viable opponent to Nickels?

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www.teamdonaldson.com to learn a little more about the guy.
Unfortunately, Nickles is the one with the advertising budget and big backing. But it's time for him to go. Like the song says 'We won't get fooled again.'

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Nobody is giving James Donaldson any chance at even making the primaries. Nope, he's underfunded, under supported, outside the political cliques, and too damned honest.
He's the only one worth consideration. IMHO.
The last thing this region needs is another four years of a nanny-state insider.
You want to really shake up the city counsel and show them who their boss really is?
Vote Donaldson, watch them scramble.
Put the city council on notice this year, do not wait.

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Yeah, James Donaldson really impressed me at the Magnolia Village Pub event. He went around to every single person, didn't skate over anyone who wanted his ear. He needs really to do more events like that. Because the papers aren't giving him much press.
The longshot, but a good bet.

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blite

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Thanks for the link on Donaldson. I liked what i read & printed the banner to put in my window. He'll be my choice in the primary.

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NoraBell

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You're welcome, Blite!
Go team Donaldson!

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blite,

I too am from Chicago and I agree with you. Nickels makes -nothing- like Seattle look like Chicago, which is a shame.

Seattle could use the CTA (rail and bus) as well as suburban rail like Metra to tend to the eastside. I remember when working nights in the loop I could walk in any street as a 18 yr old small white kid and -never- had a problem. Try doing that in downtown Seattle. Also, working nights, I witnessed the frequent power washing that did occur. They also have some pretty impressive parks. It seems like the city leaders here lack the vigor found in eastern state politics to push an agenda through.

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vigor=balls, right? Agreed.

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Jules

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You know, keyboard cat, I can remember (back when the earth's surface was still cooling) that we had regular street-cleanings. As a matter of fact, one of my freind's father ran a street-cleaner. I don't ever recall seeing one on my street in the last several years; and since I worked from home the last 5 years, I think I'd notice.

I think we need more cops, more gang units, more street improvements, and less pork-barrel projects. Your mileage may vary.

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I see not one single redeeming quality in any of the candidates.

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chopper 74

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Ouch...
ok, how about most redeeming.
What are you looking for?

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Well let’s see… would like for someone to address REAL affordable housing that is not a parking place sized room like the recent joke on Capitol Hill. If not, then rent control. I would like to see schools returned to neighborhood boundaries ONLY, NO exception. I would like to see a seriously progressive property tax with the top valued property doubling in cost and a cut in sales tax. I would like to see a surface street/public transit replacement for the Viaduct. I want ALL transportation money to go into transit/trains/ etc. for at least 10 years. The ONLY exception would be maintenance on existing roads and highways. I want to see a to the death fight with Olympia over Seattle funding either floating bridge an d other improvements outside the city limits OR $10 tolls each way forever to cover building the things and maintenance. Let the burbs pay for their own. I want huge fines for developers who demolish buildings and dig giant holes before their funding is secured. I want to see deposits on glass containers and a ban on plastic bags but not on paper.

Oh… and I also want 24 hour Chinese delivery. ; )

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Let's talk about which candidates will listen to what you would like to see first.
Let's talk about what you'd like to see, a lot of which I can support, other stuff, others will support.
Either way, we need a 'sunshine' type of Mayor. Open, accessible, and not catering to the dollars that come with the right wink and nod.
Donaldson, seriously, no one is currently more open to change toward what you seek.

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chopper 74

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what, you didn't like the local Chinese delivery???
(me too, it sucked)

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Oh he might listen but don’t see enough professional politician in Donaldson. He is a businessman and government is not business sand cannot be run like business. Businessmen make terrible public servants.

I like Golden City for delivery but it is not 24 hours.

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I'm with Briar Rose 99.9%. I too believe we should bring back the neighborhood schools; the busing that started in the 1970s was a total financial fiasco and a farce, and cost Seattle taxpayers millions and millions of $, and the only people it benefited were the bus companies. I'm all for a toll on the bridges as well. We had it in the 1960s, we can do it again.

Briar Rose, you do not need Almond Chicken at 3:00 am. I'm just saying.

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Nickels has been a 'professional politician' all his life. He's never done anything else. What he doesn't know how to do is listen to the voters. Donaldson does. He listened to every person who wanted to talk to him at the Magnolia meet and greet and addressed every problem we could bring up. I don't think he's going to run Seattle like a business. I think he's going to run Seattle like a city full of people who's opinion counts.

And, yeah, Golden City rocks. Have you tried the Rickshaw? I think they deliver late. Not 24 hrs but late. And they deliver on Christmas day. I know that for a fact.

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BriarRose

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I never need almond chicken but have been known to fixate on orange beef at odd hours.

Listening is not doing and what exactly makes you think he would not go with what he knows? Please be specific and give examples. The new style MBA business plan loves to listen and then do as it pleases. It’s called appeasement.

As nice as I sounds “I am not Nickles’ is not a reason to vote for anyone.

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sheeesh, looking for a 'professional' politician..."Good Grief".
Isn't that more of the same old crap?
Damn, look outside the box for once.
Oh, and the Golden city, sucks, inside and out.

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Jules, honestly 99.9%? I was with about 60%, max.
"would like for someone to address REAL affordable housing that is not a parking place sized room like the recent joke on Capitol Hill"
That joke cost us millions, and millions more are slated, but it beats a tent, so how do you vote against a roof over someones head??? At least they are paying for it!!
"If not, then rent control." ah, just like NY. $4000 a month. No thanks.
"I want ALL transportation money to go into transit/trains/ etc. for at least 10 years."
ok, we need more roads, period, and I expect them to be maintained.
"I want huge fines for developers who demolish buildings and dig giant holes before their funding is secured.
yeah, can't disagree with that, but seriously, is that's what's wrong? Nope.
It's the A-holes who have the money to fill the hole that are the problem.
All they need, is some guy downtown to say yes to the dollar. Result, big hole.

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People put too much faith in those who they elect to office. All they are is a reflection of us. We still hold all the power……in our pocketbooks. Use your power instead of selling it for a cheap mortgage and a big TV. Yeah I prefer a professional. Amateurs f**k things UP MUCH worse. Some of us remember Dixy Lee Ray. The horror!!!!

Golden city is not great but they deliver. Really their orange beef is very good. I have not been in the Rickshaw in about 35 years and recall it was a bar with a bad restaurant on the side.

Where in the city do we need more roads?

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chopper 74

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yeah, that's issue, too much faith...
Nope, too much apathy is the issue, BriarRose.

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chopper 74

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And too much money, Christ, they can't get enough.

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BriarRose

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Here are some other examples of work-force housing efforts, from a 2006 report by the Urban Land Institute, Fannie Mae Foundation and Homes for Working Families. It can be done. However 'not in my back yard' needs to be ignored.

The Santa Clara, Calif., Unified School District erected a 40-unit apartment complex where new employees can live for up to five years.

Austin, Texas, expedites review of developments that, among other things, makes a share of units affordable to people earning up to 80 percent of median income and waives some or all of the development fees, depending on what share of the homes are affordable.

Massachusetts has a streamlined development process for projects that include homes affordable to buyers up to 80 percent of median income in towns where less than 10 percent of the housing stock is affordable.

Under Denver's plan for the former Stapleton International Airport, 10 percent of the roughly 8,000 for-sale homes that will be built there must be affordable to people earning up to 80 percent of median family income. Twenty percent of the estimated 4,000 rentals must be affordable to people earning up to 60 percent of median income. The homes must be mixed with market units and include larger units.

California State University-Channel Islands, in Camarillo, Calif., used surplus land for 316 market-rate rentals and 98 houses sold at about 65 percent of market value, with priority to faculty and staff and restrictions on resale prices.

The Chicago Housing Authority and city of Chicago require 20 percent of new homes on public land in the redeveloped Cabrini-Green Homes site and surrounding Near North neighborhood to be affordable to buyers up to 120 percent of median income and renters up to 80 percent of median income. An additional 30 percent of the homes remain public housing for renters up to 80 percent of median.

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Anybody but Nickels.

Hey Jules, I'd actually vote for Robert Mugabe before voting for Nickels. Heck, I'd vote for Kim Jong Il (or however you spell that lunatic's name) over Nickels.

Worst. Mayor. Ever.

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Then I would write-in Mark Sidran. One of the reasons he lost to Nickels was because everyone was so up in arms (the Stranger, in particular) about the city's policies on aggressive panhandling and panhandlers sitting on the sidewalks.

Well, boo-hoo, now see what we have? I'll bet half those folks who thought Sidran was such a meanie are wishing he was our mayor now.

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chopper 74

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The Stranger.
Don't get me started about what the 'f' the Stranger cares about, or has a clue about, ...besides covering up the Kyle Huff murders, yeah you, screw ya.
I've never, never, followed their line of crap.
Yeah, and I've been justified in that decision ten fold.
Remember, the Stranger posted pictures and addresses of homeowners posting campaign signs that they didn't approve of last year. (Can you say, loud and clear, intimidation?)
Absolute punks.
I spit on every copy I see.
BriarRose, if you want to make a point,
Don't start with Fannie Mae, Barney Fwank, or any of those scum sucking sell-outs.
Yeah, I'm mad as hell at those idiots that sold our country out. Period.
And I'm not finished.
...but it will wait.

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BriarRose

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Oh please, there is nothing sillier than blaming politicians for what average Americans do themselves chopper. We make the choices and we run this city and this nation with our pocketbooks. Seattlites and Americans in general want everything but no one wants to pay for it. Politicians just reflect us. We get the representatives we deserve, no more no less.

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McGinn is the man.
we don't need more cops, more fireman, or any of that other stuff. We need a mayor even greener than Greg.

has there really been a problem with SFD unable to put fires out in a timely manner? I don't think so.

Nickels will win anyway, especially with his "wish I could have a few weeks back during the snowstorm" bologna.

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Honestly, I think "Fathead" Nickels has done a lot of good things for this city. He's a HUGE improvement over Paul Schell (sp?). But his tunnel vision (pun intended) has started to turn me sour. Your comments are all helpful for someone like me who hasn't had the time to think about this much...

But hey, I grew up in a city that had a crack smoking fornicator for a mayor...twice! So Nickels looks like an angel to me!

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I've been doing a lot of research on the candidates and still leaning towards McGinn.

Has Donaldson really stated the changes he wants to make? I have seen a lot of generalized promises but no real planed strategies to realizing these changes. As far as I have seen, for a business man, he talks like a politician. Someone please correct me on this, I'd like to see what others are seeing.

PS. Yen Wor Garden is delicious!

Edited for clarity on point of view.

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NoraBell

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Isn't McGinn just a more extreme version of what we've already got?
And Yen Wor has yummy egg rolls.

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chopper 74

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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/flatpages/local/mayoralcandidateinterviews.html

This is a good resource from the Seattle Times, it has video of the candidates for Mayor.

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McGinn is more of the same. The only real difference is the tunnel issue which with the Governor on board is a done deal. I don’t trust anyone even remotely associated with the Sierra Club and we have no need for more parks in Seattle. Those we have are underused right now. At this point I doubt I will vote at all. They are all equally worthless so it does not matter a bit who is elected.

I loathe Yen Wor. It’s the worst American Chinese I have eaten in 20 years. Actually I loathe eggrolls.

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Extracted from numerous posts...

"I see not one single redeeming quality in any of the candidates."
"As nice as I sounds “I am not Nickles’ is not a reason to vote for anyone."
"People put too much faith in those who they elect to office."
"Politicians just reflect us. We get the representatives we deserve, no more no less."
"At this point I doubt I will vote at all."

Jesus, I pray that I don't get the candidate that BriarRose truly deserves, again.

At least, we don't have to worry about her vote.

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None of it really matters much to me you see since politicians don’t make a great deal of difference in my life. I moved back here knowing what to expect and use the power I have over my own life. You ought to try it……instead of all the drama.

My favorite line from “Up the Down Staircase, “Relax, you’ll live longer.”

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"we have no need for more parks in Seattle. Those we have are underused right now"

are you kidding me? seriously now, I can't think of one park in Seattle that is under-utilized. most are bursting at the seams. we're getting denser and denser and truly need more open, green space.

having said that, I'm not sure if a mayor can make that big a difference in getting more. they can facilitate things however.

if none of it matters to you, why would you even investigate this posting?

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BriarRose: "None of it really matters much to me you see since politicians don’t make a great deal of difference in my life."

WTF?? Reminds me of a friend from Ohio who said presidential selection didn't matter to her or her family because it didn't affect them in any way. (Note that she called herself a republican.) Good god almighty! That's a horrible and totally wrong attitude. Wrong, wrong, wrong. And stupid to boot. Ugh!

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I'm always glad to hear of a Republican who doesn't want to vote, though...

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Jules

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We don't need more parks. WTF? Just because YOU don't use them doesn't mean the rest of Seattle doesn't. In this line of thinking, I don't have children, ergo, why should we, the taxpayers, spend money on schools? Shouldn't the parents just pay ALL the costs? After all, I don't use them!

Seriously, I am a huge supporter of the Dept. of Parks & Recreation. Ballard actually has less parks than a lot of neighborhoods. One of the most serious problems in our nation's health is the lack of exercise, especially among the young. Childhood obesity and diabetes are at an all time high...and junk food and computer games aren't the only culprits. We should have more parks, upgrade the ones we have, and if you don't take advantage of them; well, that's your loss. People may tend to forget that "Parks" also includes our swimming pools, beaches and lakes. I'd say those venues were pretty heavily used this summer- the Times had pictures of people standing in line to get into the pool at Magnolia. (or it was on the Magnolia blog.) As more people live in condos and apartments,it is even more important to have parks and green space.

What? You don't swim? You don't own a dog to walk in the park? You never go on a picnic? Your kid doesn't play tennis/soccer/lacrosse?

In the last month, I probably went to Sunset Hill park 20 times, Green Lake once, Golden Gardens once, Bergen Park 4x, Marvin Gardens-innumerable, Gasworks once, Ballard Commons 6 or 7 times, Cowen park once. And the only reason I didn't go to the Ballard pool is because I belong to the Olympic AC. (and I can't get out much-herniated disc.)

One of the great benefits of our public Parks and Rec. facitilies is that they are available to the lumpen proletariat,for lack of a better term. The rich have private clubs and pools, the middle class can join a health club with a pool if they can afford it, but the parks are available for EVERYONE to enjoy. And if you don't have a backyard , why, you can use Golden Gardens for a barbeque.

I suppose we don't need the National Parks, either?

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But Sheep I am not a Republican. I have never registers with a party but if pushed I would have to call myself a socialist. I nearly always vote but when it comes to mayoral elections, Seattle always elects the same person under a different name. Again, politicians reflect us. We run things and the power is in our pocketbooks. My life and pocketbook has been under my control from Carter to Obama. So has yours.

Seattle will end up just like CA soon. They want everything and vote for it but then they refuse to vote for the taxes to pay for it.

Ya know come to think of it, I think the city needs to condemn all the land along the ship canal and make it into a giant park. Better yet they can do the same with all the houses along the cliffs, tear down all the houses there and extend Sunset Hill Park. Do it for the kiddies folks.

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My Republican comment was in reference to Wanna-be Dane's post.

"Reminds me of a friend from Ohio who said presidential selection didn't matter to her or her family because it didn't affect them in any way. (Note that she called herself a republican.)"

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I liked Sidran's brand of "mean" and I'm sorry he didn't get the votes.

Nickels is just awful - and the council isn't much better - million dollar toilets, expensive trolleys instead of buses because they're cuter, etc.

I'm also not voting for anybody who is only against the tunnel. I don't defend the tunnel as the only solution, but a surface street is a solution to some other problem. The purpose of the viaduct is to get people PAST downtown, not into town. Ever try to get past the waterfront when there is a game and it's ferry time. You can spend 30 minutes going 3 blocks. Yet somehow 100,000 cars and trucks spewing exhaust while they crawl along is supposedly going to be better for the environment. And don't tell me they can take a bus. You might as well make I5 a surface street, too, because all those folks can take a bus as well, right?

I'm looking a Mallahan and Donaldson.

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Yeah, I agree the surface option would not work either. It would cause a bigger mess. That's one of the main points that turned me off of McGinn. Among other things. Go to James Donaldson's web page. www.teamdonaldson.com. If you have a specific question he'll be more than happy to answer it at jamesd@teamdonaldson.com.

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Donaldson may well listen and seem like a good guy, but I keep thinking about this post from kgemeroy in another thread a while ago - and, if kgemeroy is right, a history of poor management is not what I'm looking for in a new mayor:

"I worked in a professional capacity with James. He is literally the most disorganized and uninvolved business owner I have ever dealt with, and I have worked with a huge variety of business owners. His management skills are terrible, and his business practices such as communication with vendors and little things like paying bills were a constant problem.

Honestly, electing James Donaldson would make Greg Nickels tenure as mayor look like Jesus Christ used to be the mayor of Seattle. Please, please don't vote for him."

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Well, I ignored that post from the word go. "I worked in a professional capacity with James"
So, one disgruntled employee, if that is even the 'capacity' they are referring to is quite suspect. Every business owner has daily challenges, and daily challengers.
Nobody has 100% of support of anyone at anytime in their career, to think otherwise, is to not think at all.

I'm quite surprise that he hasn't been subjected to beyond the pale hit pieces. If we were more of a front runner, it would probably happen more.
And the way most voters respond is quite unfortunate, like, quite dumb.

"Don't teach people how to think...tell them what to think"
Laugh all you want, it's the saddest testament of our society today.

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"Professional capacity" didn't mean employee to me - the rest of the post makes it sound like he/she is a contractor doing biz with Donaldson's biz.

And of course "nobody has 100% of support of anyone [sic]" - but that certainly doesn't make this poster's concerns or comments irrelevant if he/she has direct experience with Mr. D.

I'm just turned off by voters who say - "well he listened to me!" Woohoo - if that's all it takes, I'm gonna run, cuz I listen really, really well and am oh so sympathetic.

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BriarRose

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I totally agree wanna be. It’s the same sort of moronic logic that elected The Idiot W. “With which candidate would you prefer to share a beer.”

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NoraBell

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Oh, for goodness sake. I didn't mean a one sided conversation while he smiles and nods. This was a two sided conversation. We asked Donaldson questions and he answered them. If I want someone who just listens to me I'd elect my cat.

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