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Thugs hanging in alley by Elect Bldg off 14th & 63rd

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Started 7 months ago by seattletree
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Today a Salmon Bay Elem. student neighborhood/friend of my son's, was attacked and punched in the face pretty bad, behind the Elect Bldg off 14th/63rd. I had noticed in the last few weeks that several older kids had been hanging out in the alley there every day, sitting on the ground with their backs against the Elect Building smoking dope. They don't really hide it when you drive by, they seem to feel invisible. No, I didn't call the cops.. yeah I should have. Today as the 4 kids from Salmon Bay walked home after school, (11-12 years old) one child was asked if he wanted to "buy some weed". He said he wasn't interested and the younger kids tried to walk by real quick. The older boy cornered the kid and punched him pretty badly in the face. My son said he was laying on the street until the other (freaked out) kids with him managed to get him to his feet and run for the house. Our kids were told to "stay away" from that alley because now it is "their turf"... Grrrrr. I call BS to that. So, I plan to make it a part of my dog walk and share this with the neighbors. That's all we need in the neighborhood is a few thugs who beat down little kids. So gee look out and stay out of the alley there when you see the thugs hanging cuz "it's their turf" now... Oh and the mom of the assaulted kid did call the police but the "thug life wanna be" kids vanished. I would be guessing they are BHS kids who should be in class during those hours I see them in the afternoon there, but who knows. I see them around weekdays, 2p-4p as I run errands, etc.

Posted 7 months ago #
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This has been going on forever. Call the cops immediately. Call BHS immediately. Don't just alert admin - talk to the counselors. Keep calling. Have a good description. Take a picture if you have to.

Posted 7 months ago #
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I hadn't thought of that... the picture taking. duh.. thanks!.. I was so peeved I wanted to go there and grab said "bad azz" by the throat myself and discuss the alley way with him, but I have a spunky temper. Better I keep my hands in my pockets, lol
The bummer is that the kid they got in the face is one of two kids that a single mom friend of mine is trying to raise alone... and now she's just stressing max. I feel so badly for her. She is in one of the ... lower rent apartments on 14th and has already gone through 2 bikes being "cut/hacked" off the porch there. We rehabbed two Good Will Bikes and some POS got both. We will do it again, because I personally think every kid needs a bike and I ain't going to give up to punks. But GEEZE Good Will has hiked the prices of battered bikes... sigh. Anyway after being terrified and punched in the face I think I can go for another rehab for this young man. He tried so hard to "be cool" and it was just rotten. The alley way was clear for months... this was kinda new this motley crew. I walk my 3 chihuahuas thru there all the time, or had. I recently took up going the other way for a challenge on the hill of 65th. I will come back down the hill now and hit the alley all the time.
Sorry for the rambling off topic.. answering the Trick or Treating and dealing with a psycho dog, and typing... got a little scattered..

Posted 7 months ago #
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If you can get a record of it happening BHS might do something about it. If you just call once or twice they won't. Keep at it - this stuff (smoking/dealing) has been going on for years but beating on younger kids seems to be a new thing.

Posted 7 months ago #
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For the love of God, call the police; Send pictures to the precinct neighborhood!

Posted 7 months ago #
seattletree

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Yeah I hear that. That was a first.. and particularly uncool.

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pennygirl

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ynh98107...

Just calling the cops doesn't work. You have to call both them and the school multiple times. But this seems to be worse than when I remember. Also, the counselors are a way better resource than the Principal when it comes to BHS.

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His mom called the cops. I got the feeling that it wasn't any big deal response. Previously when I saw them in the last 3 weeks, they were just sitting there and I didn't feel like that was an issue. I hadn't seen anything except kids hanging out. I thought I saw one or two passing smoking material. Cig or pot, I didn't know, but.. I did not think it was any big deal. I really didn't think the cops would care... or respond.

Posted 7 months ago #
seattletree

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Call the counselors? really?... that seems so odd...

Posted 7 months ago #
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I agree with pictures, that'll help identify them. Plus sometimes parents can be a bit delusional when it comes to their thug-like children, they always seem to think it isn't *their* child, just the child's friends.

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The counselors know the kids. Everyone is assigned a counselor and they keep an eye on all things. If you have a picture of the kid/s a counselor is way more likely to know exactly who they are than Admin - especially if they have a 'track record'.

Posted 7 months ago #
seattletree

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Ok I get it.. I'd some how guess that these kids would be on the radar of the counselor. At least the large one who punched and offered to sell.

Posted 7 months ago #
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seattletree, Adult presence goes a long way in ridding areas of 'punks', if you have the time walk your dog, go with neighbors and just spend a lot of time in the area, call the police if you see this sort of thing happening - you being there will get a response - these kids will find someplace else to be

Posted 7 months ago #
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Jeesus, that's two blocks from the HS!
This wouldn't have happened AT ALL back in the 50s, guys would line up to administer SERIOUS physical damage...

Am referring to the so- called Sunshine Dukes gang of the early 50s, bunch of punks that hung out at a coffee shop on 17th & Market back in the day... they didn't last all that long, some suffered a few broken bones, they just sort of faded away... They were sort of a "Blackboard Jungle- wannabe" type collection of idiots...

Posted 7 months ago #
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My husband just got home from work. He's lived in this house for 51 years, born here. Said he's heard that "chit" before... and yeah it's not going to fly. I have emailed the neighbors who all have kids from 1 month to 17 years old in about every school here, so I am thinking there will be an effort to walk by and dog walk and generally be a pain to the thug life.

Posted 7 months ago #
Oly

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Oh my God! When I went to Ballard you only had to walk outside to the S wing to buy weed.

Posted 7 months ago #
iPlod

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Yeah, and you had to kick 'em in the face to get them to try to beat you up for not buying it!

Posted 7 months ago #
pennygirl

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What are you talking about iPlod? Oly was the King of S Wing!

Posted 7 months ago #
iPlod

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Hmmm, (checks butt in mirror) I don't see his boot print there.

Posted 7 months ago #
pennygirl

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Hahaha

Posted 7 months ago #
Cate

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This child was assaulted and the police are thinking it is no big deal? Get pictures of his bruises and make a big stink all the way up the line. Assaulting elementary school aged children is a huge deal.

Posted 7 months ago #
iPlod

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Teach your elementary school aged children how to defend themselves, instead.

Posted 7 months ago #
crownhiller

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Just read this to my husband who works with SPS security on a daily basis. He's going to talk with them in the morning. Thanks for posting this.

Posted 7 months ago #
Norge

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Pot is illegal for kids and always will be (even I-502 passes) so yes, call the cops. Call our community policing team officer Scott McGlashan -- 206-233-3733 or email him at: scott.mcglashan@seattle.gov. Again, Scott is very responsive. Call the principal at the high school -- I had some trouble with HS kids at a house next door a few years ago -- I called the principal -- he walked over here during his lunch hour--the HS kids stopped coming over. The principal there should respond -- he is a longtime Ballardite, proud of the neighborhood and the school, he will respond. There should be a Seattle police officer assigned to the school -- get in touch with him -- you will most likely catch him at the North Precinct. Take pictures, keep notes, you'd be surprised to find out how keeping a log of the situation really gives the police some ammo. Why people are so reluctant to call the police is beyond me especially when we have such a responsive office assigned to Ballard.

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pennygirl

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I already said that Norge. Apart from the 'reluctant to call the police' part.

CrownHiller - does he work at BHS? This has been an ongoing problem for years.

Posted 7 months ago #
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PG - he doesn't but deals with equally troubling issues at many schools - Ballard is part of his "assigned" coverage area and he's got good connections. Not saying he can solve it - just bring it a different set of people who may be able to intercede in some fashion.

Posted 7 months ago #
pennygirl

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I actually brought this up 2 years ago...

http://www.myballard.com/forum/topic.php?id=2906

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penny, what you brought up 2 years ago is nothing new. kids can and will get pot more easily than alcohol.

I don't necessarily equate that with the shear clique-isms involved in high school.
we all know that 80% of school is b.s. anyway.

when I went to grade school and middle school, there were fights almost every day.
larger bouts were 'scheduled' after school at some neutral turf where a teacher wouldn't intervene.

I am in no way advocating this small child getting punched, but it's difficult for me to endorse police involvement. I think parental involvement would work better.

I don't live far from this incident so will walk my dog by. incidentally, my dog takes great delight in intimidating 12 year olds.

also, Iplod + 1 for teaching your children to defend themselves.

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pennygirl

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And that is why you are an asshole Great Idea.

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why is that? because I don't think the police should be involved in a middle-school fight?

we are all products of our environment penny. if that makes me an asshole then so be it.

edit to say I was sometimes on the wrong end of those beatings but never questioned greater involvement. perhaps a matter of male pride.
I think even oneder would agree with that.

parents get more worked up than the kids in such cases (if they even find out).

Posted 7 months ago #
pennygirl

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No. Because I am sick of you taking cheap shots at me. Leave it alone. You do it every chance you can and it is getting old.

Posted 7 months ago #
great idea

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I honestly don't know what you're talking about but will certainly leave well enough alone.

Posted 7 months ago #
pennygirl

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Edit: Saw the Dove. Don;t make me regret this...

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Great Idea - it is my take from the OP that the victims were the 11 and 12 year olds who were assaulted by high school students. So I am not sure why you want your dog to intimidate the 12 year old. But more to the point, when you consider the size and strength difference between a typical 11 or 12 year old boy and a high school senior (or junior) it is far more then a schoolyard fight. I think it is completely appropriate to get the police involved. Heck, if some 16, 17 or 18 year old punched me in the face you better believe I would call the police and press charges. Twelve year olds deserve the same protections as we adults have.

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Great idea... the cops should be involved. It wasn't a middle school fight. It was a 12 yo boy from Salmon Bay Elem walking home who was punched in the face by a kid from BHS who was much older/bigger. The younger child was punched in the face because he refused to buy pot... I would have called the cops if it were my kid and pressed charges in a heart beat. My son was following these kids on his bike and came up on them as they left the area heading for help from another mom who was home. I would think all the young kids are now very worried about walking home tomorrow. I will make a point of being there tomorrow. I'm thinking "Thug Lords" will be gone, but 'chu nevah know...

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and it's the comment to the kids to "stay out of the alley because it's our turf now"... that raises my fur. I don't like punks. I don't like any kid being told he can't walk around here in the neighborhood cuz some jerk wants to deal in the alley. I got a chance to talk to the kid's mom tonight after she dropped off the trick and treating kids. Her son's ok. The cops filled out an Incident or whatever report and will be trying to find out who the kid is. She was happy with the response. My son was with all the boys tonight and little boys that they are, they're all way too worked up and will hopefully chill out tonight after all the sugar passes through them and they get some sleep. There's a few ways to get to our street without going by the alley, but I do not want that alley to be some command post for little ****heads.

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BTW... Happy Halloween. Tonight was very low for my normal Trick or Treaters here.. wow, way way way down. I was really disappointed. What happened? Last year was a crazy wild mess of wonderful kids. Tonight, maybe 20 at the very most.

Posted 7 months ago #
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seattletree,

I was a 14 year old new kid who walked from home to Junior High (Middle School) & back using a shortcut through some woods. Being new, I didn't know those woods were the thug hangout for the local bad boys. It was THEIR turf.

Soon enough, on my way home after school I was stopped by a tall high school kid. He was looking for any excuse to fight. I'm just an average sized joe average but the idea of this big jerk trying to push a kid like me around got my adrenaline flowing, so when he made his move I went all in. I intended to destroy him, punch him in his gut, kick him in his crotch, knock him down, stomp his neck and face, or at least give him a bruise.

He was so surprised at my offense that he started to back away & tripped on a tree root. Down he went on his back without me barely touching him at all! Before I could step in and fulfill my fondest dreams, two of his buddies grabbed my arms from behind and held me while I watched him prop himself up on his elbows.

He looked at me, I looked at him. I thought that if he was going to get up and
try to take advantage of me I was going to use my feet. Then I thought about his chums holding me and how outnumbered I would be.

He still hadn't gotten up when I told him "Okay, you win. I won't fight you anymore."
That seemed to salve his pathetic ego in front of his friends so they let me go. I piked up my peechee and books & continued on home.

I didn't tell my parents about it then & they still don't know about it now nor of any of the other fights I got into through my adolescence.

No cops were involved and no neighborhood forums were upset.

Teach your kids self defense.

Posted 7 months ago #
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My nephew was attached by older kids when he was in junior high. All because they wanted his jacket. The kicks to his head damaged his brain and today, as a 33 yo he is still frustrated by the change it caused in his abilities.

I am sorry this happened to him. Get those kids on camera and in front of police and school admins. I will walk my dog by them whenever I am around at that time--with my camera.

Posted 7 months ago #
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The word on the street is that the 12th grade kid who beat on the 8th grade kid has been arrested... I am sure to hear the dirt after school. My son called me from Salmon Bay to tell me he would explain after school. Awesome...
Self defense has it's place and it ain't here iplod. That's just stupid. ...

Posted 7 months ago #
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Can't wait to hear more details when you have them Seattle Tree.

As for the comments here on the board, I'll never understand why Seattlites don't like getting the police involved. Among long timers or natives its like crime to call the police in this town.

Since we are doing flashbacks I'll point out I opined about the local ethos with respect to justice once before.

http://www.myballard.com/forum/topic.php?id=13650#post-185252

As for self defense, its not all about hand to hand. Everyone should know a few things about how to escape a situation or create a scene.

Posted 7 months ago #
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If it is not checked, it will escalate (13-17 yr olds):
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/komo/article/Armed-teens-rob-trick-or-treaters-in-Tacoma-4000151.php

edog as far as not calling the SPD, that must be a young person thing, us old timers will call anytime we need to and get good response from them.

iplod, the thing to remember all bad guys have friends and relatives that will want to have vengeance, or they just move on to someone else if they are not stopped.

Posted 7 months ago #
pennygirl

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Good news seattletrees. Please keep us updated.

Posted 7 months ago #
Big D

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iPlod, is this you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yzn5d0dBLIU

Teaching an 11 year old to fight a drug dealing 12th grader is not a smart idea.

Posted 7 months ago #
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Lets just say the 11 year old gets the upper hand and takes out the drug dealer? What happens when the drug dealer pulls out a gun or other weapon b/c he just got "punked" by the younger kid? Who wins then?

Posted 7 months ago #
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Proper self defense is about either creating a disturbance that encourages the assailant to flee, or gets attention (AKA HELP), or an opening so you can run like a mother f*cker. Self defense is not about beating someone's a*s, though I'm not sure anyone here said that it was.

Posted 7 months ago #
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For future issues, also contact coaches. They know their kids and will exert influence.

Posted 7 months ago #
Edog

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So jocks are defacto police?

Posted 7 months ago #
Mondoman

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Edog, you misunderstood: coaches can exert influence on their players, if the players are the ones causing trouble.

Posted 7 months ago #
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I doubt they are on any athletic team.

not that those kids don't smoke pot, but they usually don't deal or have to time to loiter in some alley.

Posted 7 months ago #
Edog

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As for jocks and drugs, indeed they use. I know for a fact that some of the kids on Ballard's basketball team and lacrosse team are into weed.

Posted 7 months ago #
Big D

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"As for jocks and drugs, indeed they use. I know for a fact that some of the kids on Ballard's basketball team and lacrosse team are into weed."

NARC!!!! ;)

Posted 7 months ago #
Edog

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Thats pretty funny! But I did not name names dude!

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pennygirl

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No, but you narrowed it down somewhat!

Posted 7 months ago #
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Great

Now they are going to bring the drug sniffing dogs into the locker room during the next basketball game.

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Edog

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Narrowing it down is hardly fingering someone!

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The boy just got home from school. Wrong bad guy. The police have brought pics to show the kids of known bad guys and are trying to narrow it down. One of the group was identified so far but not arrested. Also, turns out the details are that the boy wasn't in the alley, he was on the sidewalk which goes by the group in the alley there. There's a big drama about the calling of the police now.. apparently big kid was on the little guys field during lunch looking for the kid who called cops.. omg what a drag... really what a drag. Now the boy who was punched is pretty scared. the beat goes on... the alley has been clear of the guys. Funny they have been sitting there daily... I wish this would end real fast w/o another kid getting stomped.

Posted 7 months ago #
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Is there a chance that Century Link has security cameras that might be focused on that area? I feel sorry for the victim and hope that the thugs/bullies get identified and arrested right away.

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"Self defense has it's place and it ain't here iplod. That's just stupid. ..."

Excuse me, seattletree. I had no idea self defense was stupid! My bad.

When seconds count, the police are hours away.

Edit:

Big D, a little older than that & didn't get to go that far by a long shot but would have, by gum. Sure would have. :D

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