What a crock of wee wee.
HoneyBucket at Commons to be removed(138 posts)
When was there a Safeway there? When we moved to Ballard there was an old QFC there.
There's a QFC where the QFC was. The park is where the Safeway was.
And I agree, those PDX & Canuck loos are smart!
@Compass Rose - yep, it was pixlpete who mentioned the Yankee Diner, not you...
@Norge - I think there are several comments that might be yours, but I won't venture another guess.
I still don't think providing an outhouse increases the homeless population, but whether it does or doesn't is really moot. The rest of the complaints against the outhouse are valid as are the complaints against the vagrants in general at the park. I would adamantly oppose any permanent structure and use the outdoor bathrooms at the BCC or at Golden Gardens for my reasons why. I find it immensely frustrating that such niceties cannot be provided for the populace in general. I have always been offended by the idiocy of petty vandalism like carving obscenities in the stall dividers at rest areas on the highway. It's pretty much smacks of the same mentality as calling everyone "asswipes" while claiming to be the only one who 'sees'.
So yes it is the vagrants who are primarily responsible for ruining the Commons park for everybody else, along with the permanent fixtures like the wannabe 60's throwback afro dude. But they aren't to blame for the vandalism and state of the bathrooms at the BCC, and they aren't the ones smoking dope and throwing beer cans all over - that's somebody's kids. I suspect they aren't the ones who defile the bathrooms and grounds and beaches at Golden Gardens - that's somebody's tweenagers.
But never mind, let's just chalk it all up to 'asswipes' who enable 'opt-out shitters' cause that will prove our mental and social superiority over those who might actually make attempts to address the problem.
No, that's not me. I used the word cesspool.
CR - They closed the old Safeway there just after they built the fancy new Safeway at 15th & Market. I think it was in 2000 or 2001...
As I walked past it today, I though about the probability that this big deal survey and result is a ruse. I bet it was never intended to stay throughout the winter months. I still think it was put there to minimize the transient use of the library (and other local business' toilets) and, along that thinking, why would it be there when no one is hanging out in the cold wet park
@Norge - all the things you say in your post are true although I would say that one outhouse hardly a cesspool makes. Perhaps cesspool was a bit on the colorful side of language, but yes your point is taken.
Mine is #134.
it's rather ironic since you will be much more likely to encounter an actual cesspool or cesspuddle once this small token to humanity is removed.
Corvus, I would never have pegged that as your response. You were actually articulate and polite, I would have expected a bit more "fire" in your responses. I am just really glad that so many people participated in the survey. If you've read the Ballard News Tribune they say a news bulletin was issued by the Dept of Human Resources. So far I haven't seen anything but the survey. Will need to get a hold of that bulletin tomorrow.
Norge, I was impressed by the caliber of most of the comments and also felt that it was a genuine exercise in community by those that offered the survey and those that responded.
I'm happy to report that I walked by the park today and the Honey Bucket is GONE. It looks so much better.
it may be gone, but YOUR foul stench remains.
Didn't you promise a year ago that you were leaving this forum?
Run along now.
Perhaps the city could better accommodate the layabout/curbside liveaboard population by moving the Commons toilet to their doorstep. There are 'reports' they live in the area of the Ballard bridge. It would be a convenient solution to the problem of fecal dumping in the parking strips and elsewhere. I can't imagine this unsanitary condition is good for popular businesses nearby though maybe Councilman Mike O'Brien has an answer. Wait for it..an RV homeless city...in Ballard! Oh wait, there is one here already. (sob)
They can make the honey Bucket look like a camper so it blends in;)
Where will I crap diamonds on the way to Kickin Boot?!?
If anyone's interested, the task force on homelessness and hunger is meeting tonight. 6:00PM in Conference Room B/C at the Swedish Medical Center, 5300 Tallman Ave.Here's the agenda:
BALLARD COMMUNITY TASKFORCE ON HOMELESSNESS AND HUNGER
DECEMBER 6, 2012
6:10 Reports and Updates:
Report on Thanksgiving activities (Graham, Jessica Young, Laura Hale, RC
Report from LIHI (Allan Castle)
Report on 11/27 LIHI Citizen Advisory Committee meeting (Jean? John
Report on Community Living Room Conversations Initiative (Working group: RC
Laird, Patty Jahn, John Voss, Elizabeth Maupin)
Update from DESC (Emily Peterson)
Update from IFTH (Bill, Jean)
Update from Safe Parking Project and Outreach (Elizabeth)
Update on Resource Guide version 2.0? (Elizabeth)
Report on social media developments (Emily)
6:35 BCTHH Communications: Striving for Effective communications within
BCTHH and between BCTHH and the Community At Large:
- How many people use FB? Have you seen the BCTHH FB page and
have you “liked” us?
- Do you use our website? Do you want to use it?
- Who can represent BCTHH at the LIHI Citizen Advisory Committee?
- Do we want/need a LIHI liaison? Do we want/need liaisons to any other
agencies or orgs? (BDC, Ballard Chamber, HSD)?
- We need someone to take on the task of adding new names and emails
to the BCTHH mailing list.
6:45 Public Restrooms/Hygiene Facilities in Ballard:
Brief update on recent developments re: Ballard Commons Park
“portapotty” (survey, 11/14 BDC meeting, and HSD decision to remove).
- What next steps can we take?
- Who is the Working Group on this?
- How do we respond to the public perception that any public restroom
attracts more homeless people to Ballard?
- Are there viable alternatives we can request the City to Consider?
Jean’s list of suggested approaches:
Clean twice daily
Relocate away from BC Park
Relocate to area with more traffic 24/7 and better lighting
Pay per use ?
Install a Loo modeled after one in Portland or Victoria
Drop-in day center with toilets
Additional supportive housing for those who are addicted/mentally ill
Support construction of Ballard Urban Rest Stop with toilet, shower, and
7:20 Public comment Period
(or discussion of BCTHH Board if no public comments)
DECEMBER 6, 2012
Get your people off alcohol, tobacco and drugs. Quit littering Ballard with your beer cans and trash. This is America – not a third world slum.
Glad to see that honeybucket gone.
If they bring it back over the summer like I suspect they will, I've got three old padlocks that I'll gladly donate. One donation a week.
I'll take you up on that offer.
The Parks Department is indeed planning on putting the Honey Bucket back in next summer. It was placed in the Commons during the summer for everyone's use and was supposed to have some screening to make it more attractive. When summer was over, they were planning on removing it when the question of a toilet for the homeless was raised and so they developed the survey. It seems the majority of the people didn't object to the idea of a toilet, they didn't like the ugly, smelly honey bucket. Because of the budget crunch, there are no plans or funds for a proper toilet.
However, we might want to see if the Ballard community can get together enough money to fund a proper toilet - perhaps we could get a Neighborhood grant if those still exist. (As far as I'm concerned, even though I cycle, they could use the money they waste on sharrows which have no proven usefulness.) Anyway, here is a design they are using in Portland, which addresses the concerns of those who worry that the toilets provide cover for illegal or dangerous activity.
This is another link that includes the specs;
Something like that might be good in either the Commons or Bergen Place?
This comment in the first article made me laugh. How romantic;)
"This comment in the first article made me laugh. How romantic;)
...is there another kind? ;-p
Seriously, we need to bring on the bath houses, just leave room for tents, maybe some RV parking, and we officially become the Canary of decline. (I use Canary, although, I'm certainly aware that Canaries take exception to being used in any manner, especially as a signal of impending doom)
If you read any world history, you should be very alarmed.
Anyway, on the upside, most don't even read, so, I'm going to grab another beer.
(locally, of course, fwiw)
I'd suspect that a pay toilet will tax some young-uns folk, while they dodge around midnight biscuits left by them folks with zero interest in providing themselves any access to a toilet.
Yes, access is earned in my world. Your world seriously differs.
Oh, can't wait for cd to chime in on how intelligible I am, again.
This discussion has become too emotionally charged. Let us be empirical! The real question is, has the incidence of public pooping decreased since the deployment of the Porto John, or has it remained steady? Without good data its worthless to discuss the validity of this toilet!
P.S. Onder, you've earned all the sh*t you take, but I love you man!
It is the cat, shake it off dog.
My vote would be it is increased. Just because no amount of toilet paper can be rolled up or used for grunge song lyrics to keep me from edogging on your lawn.
You never know when you should bust a move...
Maybe if public toilets were as frequent as stop signs, or even every bus stop, I'd feel like we were doing enough. /sarcasm
Can't wait to see it. /sarcasm
/sarcasm limit was thwarted, need a sarcasm bailout...and TP.
Its only 20 past noon! How long have you been drinking, Onder?
Brown Eyes -- the Honey Bucket isn't necessarily coming back to the Commons for the summer. Read the Press Release below:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
CONTACT: David Takami, Human Services Department, 206-684-0253
December 3, 2012
City to remove portable toilet at Ballard Commons Park
SEATTLE – The Seattle Human Services Department (HSD) and Seattle Parks and Recreation will remove the portable toilet located at Ballard Commons Park (5701 22nd Ave. NW) as of Tuesday, December 4, 2012 in response to results of a community survey conducted last month.
The portable toilet had been placed at the park on a trial basis since June 5, 2012. After several months of use, HSD conducted a survey of neighbors, business owners, park users and community organizations, and of the 332 respondents, 53% said they didn’t want the toilet in the park, 38% said they’d like the toilet to remain at the park, and 9% weren’t sure. More than 90% of the respondents were residents of Ballard.
HSD will seek a private location for a public portable toilet and work with the community to address the needs of homeless individuals in the vicinity. If such a location cannot be found, Seattle Parks and Recreation will allow a portable toilet to return to the park next summer on a three-month temporary basis if certain conditions are met, including more frequent cleaning of the toilet and the park area surrounding the toilet, and other measures to provide needed services to homeless people and address illegal activity and public safety at the park.
The portable toilet at Ballard Commons Park was the result of a recommendation of an advisory group comprised of Ballard residents, businesses, and city department staff tasked at relocating a similar toilet from a sidewalk at the 2100 block of NW Market St. The park was chosen for its proximity to the commercial district, and the convenient access for park users.
It might come back if a private location is not found but after the results of the survey I am hoping that the neighborhood will have another chance to weigh in on a location -- if it's not on private property.
A nice privet toilet is available at GI's residence.
Don't worry, I don't think that GI is contagious, or that a dirty bathroom is at all unhealthy, but it beats taxpayer dollars being flushed down an edog.
Notice how I included everyone who wakes up at oh 1200?
brown_eyes is right though--put the toilet in Bergen Place so it will be closer to the B.O. cafe as it will come to be known.
also, it's more in the center of Ballard.
the churches that help attract the homeless to Ballard ought to let the homeless use their bathrooms also - problem solved.
1der is on fire tonight!
I've been able to completely ignore him and his incoherent posts for over a week now.
la de da.
Ignore fire at your peril
So says my daddy...
I would never use the word 'unintelligible' to describe Onedy. There are much more colorful descriptive words which will make more sense to him. Besides, it's kind of fun to practice Ondey-speech, like rolling in mud or hanging out with fratboys at a tequila bar.
Onedy, you are an effing moron /no sarcasm intended/ and you make about as much sense as the small talk on the short bus (borrowing from another thread).
Perhaps you should light yourself on fire to protest all the toilets for the freeloaders. You could be the first teabagger martyr. Maybe they will make a statue of you. I hope so because I need some new canvas to practice my tag.
it was 'incoherent' not 'unintelligible' but these are minor discrepancies.
I thoroughly enjoy the concept of self-immolation (as opposed to self-defication) as a means for the fire I'm ignoring to flame out.
in fact, just the thought made my evening!
"Besides, it's kind of fun to practice Ondey-speech, like rolling in mud or hanging out with fratboys at a tequila bar."
If I felt like mud, you'd be waiting, feel at home, not many would, but it's your strength, roll with it.
Now, as far as frat boys, I'm quite used to stealing their women, just to spare them from tequila. I'm appreciated for it, trust me.
"Onedy, you are an effing moron /no sarcasm intended/ and you make about as much sense as the small talk on the short bus (borrowing from another thread)"
I suppose you borrow plenty, cd, maybe it's time you paid up. As far as your usual dismissal of my intellect, perhaps you are the ass-wipe that threw tomatoes as I explained your situation, maybe you just possess his genes.
either way, find me you useless idiot, I'll teach you why dirt lives beyond/above us.
 post 101, go figure...
Here is the line GI -
"Oh, can't wait for cd to chime in on how intelligible I am, again."
Did you mean "self-defication" instead of deprecation? That's funny.
@Onedy - "Now, as far as frat boys, I'm quite used to stealing their women, just to spare them from tequila. I'm appreciated for it, trust me".
Great! You're just one birthday or two away from a pedophile. I guess that makes you somewhat better than Poker. Perhaps that's your problem, you can't find a woman your age who will date you! Talk about useless. Never mind martyrdom, you should just do your self a favor and strike that match.
While you are having your Merry Effing Christmas why don't you think real hard about Christmas, outhouses, and 'freeloaders' you effing self-deficater.
"..."including more frequent cleaning of the toilet and the park area surrounding the toilet"
I should hope so! When the honeybucket went in we were led to believe it would be cleaned daily which sounded reasonable. Now we find out it was only cleaned twice a week. No wonder people didn't like the smell.
NW Citizen - I take it when you say "we" you mean the Ballard Community Task Force on Homelessness -- the group that wants more honey buckets in Ballard.
In a bit of a bad mood corvus?
Not at all Penny. I had a fantastic day and the night is shaping up quite nicely too. Did you catch Onedy's second video link?
"T-h-e I-n-d, the end! That's what's going to happen there! Who's out there? I see sheeple". Onedy couldn't have summed his own character up any better if I helped him. I guess that means he self-deficated.
I didn't Corvus, but the two of you have managed to be somewhat congenial (well, not really but better than before) recently.
1der - you can knock it off as well :-)
He was annoyed by a tire advert?!!!
I take it back 1der. Get some help Corvus.
I alluded to the link because it amused me how Onedy could so clearly define his own character, though I'm not sure that is what he intended. He is exactly the kind of idiot to spell END with an "I" and then talk about all those poor stupid 'sheeple' out of the other side of his mouth. In fact that pretty much sums up Onedy's schtick as he calls it. It is no surprise that his 'schtick' and his intellect and personality are all rolled up into that one overriding concept so aptly pictured in the video.
If you two seriously think I am upset in any way you really need to work on your reading comprehension. Onedy said he couldn't wait for me to chime in. I did. It was fun. I like making fun of Onedy. It makes me laugh like holding a four year old away from your knees with a hand to his head while he swings wildly away at empty space. Seriously, I normally try to resist, but what the hell, it's Friday and he asked for it. It simply would be impolite not to oblige him.
If Onedy tried his schtick on a hooker, she'd probably give him change out of pity.
If Ondey finally got his mail order bride from Thailand (sorority aged of course) and showed off his schtick, she'd try like hell to catch the first flight back.
How do you get a one armed Onedy out of a tree?
That's how I feel about you Corvus. Comprehension works both ways.
Anyway, just admit that you didn't watch the entire video and just assumed that it was a wacko end of the world thing.
I watched the whole video. Thought it was funny. I watched it several times so I could get the quotes accurate. I also then searched Donny Doomsday and watched several more. They are all funny and Donny Doomsday is Onedy to a T.
BTW, how could I have known to mention the 'sheeple' part if I had not watched the whole video? It comes in the last 5 - 10 seconds after the the tire interlude.
Trust me, I am not that invested in you and 1der's bromance to actually start checking seconds etc.
Chuckle chuckle. Now that's funny! I think you have hit the nail on the head! - Onedy is turned on by having his nose rubbed in his own defecate. Next thing you know he'll be asking for a little santorum with his breakfast. Now that's bromantic!
The only one who is interested in poop on this forum is Edog's dog. At least I think so.
Corvus - you have to much time on your hands.
"I take it when you say "we" you mean the Ballard Community Task Force "
Nope, the "we" I was referring to was the working group convened by Human Services to consider a place to move the honeybucket to that had been on Market Street for a number of years. Ask Edwin Obras or Rob Mattson who was included in that group.
It was rather eclectic.
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