Wondering if it's just me thinking this was odd - I was at a house for dinner recently. When she served me a glass of white reisling wine I noticed something floating in it. She asked what I was looking at & I said I think some of the cork is in my glass. She said it was a screw cap & no cork. We both looked closer & it was a small fly & she proceeded to stick her hand in the glass, scoop out the fly & hand me back the glass of wine. Then I was so cold & thought it was just me. Also thought maybe she just got home & furnace hadn't heated up house yet. i was sitting on my hands to keep them warm & she said "you may have noticed I keep my house cold. Are you cold?" Replied yes, as a matter of fact. She laughed & said her last company had to have blankets around them during dinner.
If me - #1 would have replaced the glass of wine & #2 would have turned up the heat enough where guests hands are not turning blue.
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No it ain't just you.... very weird on both counts.
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Thta would have been a good time to leave. The person is not "with it". the cold thing, well I might have gotten past that but the wine glass, I might have been tempted to just drop it on the floor," opps, need another glass".
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bambooboy - where were you when I needed you! I couldn't believe she did the wine thing. If ever invited there again, #1 - will bring my own glass of wine and #2 wear a ski parka.
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Gracie - I agree with you. I have a friend whose husband will not allow the heat to be turned up to more than like 60 degrees to save money (they have plenty). And they have a drafty old house that feels cold even when it is warm out. So yes, we freeze when we are at their house during the winter. Ridiculous. If I were her, I would absolutely insist that when we had guests the heat be turned up to a reasonable level. I always turn my heat up more when I have people over. I want my guests to be comfortable and cozy. I can't even believe the wine thing - wow. If it were a good friend of mine I would totally call them on it and if they were just an acquaintence I'm not sure what I would do but I definitely wouldn't drink it. So what did you do with the glass of wine???
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I think you should've been flattered that your host felt so comfortable around you that she'd stick her hand in your glass to retrieve the fruit fly.
this person did make you dinner afterall, so you'd hope had clean hands.
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Gracie, she just sounds very poor at social situations. She scooped out the fly with her hand because if she was at home (which she was) and it was her, she'd do the same thing. It may not have occurred to her (or possibly did later) that it is not acceptable to do for a guest. There are different rules for guests than not only oneself, but also family. And there are different rules based on how close a friend or not someone is. It can be confusing.
There could be a good reason why she keeps her house cold, or again, she just was not thinking of you. If you had explicitly asked "could you make it warmer in here" or "could i have a blanket?" she probably would have been happy to oblige. In fact, saying that previous people needed a blanket may have been an opening to let you know a blanket was available.
It's also possible that she has a personality defect that prevents her from thinking of others, but with so many IT people attracted to the area, chances are good that she simply does not know social rules. I have had many, many blunders and it was only much later that I realized my error. Sometimes hours, sometimes days, weeks or years.
If it is a personality defect she may not receive your request well. If she is simply unsocialized, you may need to be clear and blunt with her. She may not get hints.
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I hope she doesn't read the forum :)
Our house can be cold. Our house is old and while we do have centralized heat (kinda), it's colder than we'd like. Some people keep their house cold due to their own environmental reasons (not wanting to use electricity, gas or oil) or maybe even it's budgetary. Heck if she was serving reisling, it might've been budgetary.
I'm confused as to how someone could stick a hand in a glass. I guess I could but that would displace most of the wine unless the glass was huge. A finger, yes, but a hand seems like overkill.
If I was at a friends house just hanging out, the none of this would bother me. If I wanted a different glass of wine, I'd simply pour out what was in my glass, rinse out my glass, and look for something other than reisling. If it was cold, I'd remember their house is cold for the next time I came over. For darned sure I probably wouldn't call them out on a public forum. If I was at a formal dinner party then I'd put it down to quirkiness and leave it at that. If I paid for some kind of charity dinner party at someones house, I might not attend the next year. It's not really complicated.
Actually my salon has these little flies sometimes that are attracted to wine. I've never had a problem with either me or my stylist digging them out.
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This kind of thing never happens to me. I can spot an idiot before I go to their house for dinner.
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Not everyone thinks that way. In fact I was in a bar awhile back and before the owner served me a drink she TOOK A SIP OUT OF THE GLASS. Put her lips right on it and then handed it to me. I consider this very much worse than a hand in a glass.
Social rules can truly be confusing for those it does not come natively to. Not everyone is wired to assimilate them naturally, just as some people are naturally awful at math or spelling. Or you might even consider it like a learning disability, but with social skills instead of reading or whatnot.
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Beyond weird. Full disclosure, I have been known to scoop a fly out of my beer and keep drinking. But as others point out there are different rules for guests. Fly or no fly, you don't want somebody sticking a finger in your drink. You don't know how often she washes her hands.
As to the cold, that's just nuts. If she was too poor to pay for heat, maybe. Having been there it's an uncomfortable situation to deal with when having people over. But it doesn't sound like that's the situation to me.Posted 4 months ago # -
Sounds like you people drink at the wrong establishments!
Any minute Great Idea will verify that he will drink beer thats been fingered by some greasers dirty nose.
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when I go to a bar and there's too much 'head' on my beer, I will usually ask the bartender to stick his big, doughy hand in my glass so the oils from his skin will dissipate the foam.
sometimes he'll stick his greasy nose in my drink for added effect.
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I'd say the alcohol would kill a fair amount of germs and the same person (who may or may not wash their hands) handled the glass and dinnerware before the fly incident.
So GI, is it normal for you to get too much head at bars?
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I just hope the host didn't break through the TP and forget to wash;)
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teigyr - is there such a thing as "too much head" - sorry, couldn't resist.
And in regards to the house being cold, the hostess makes darn good money so other than her wish to keep house cold, it's not about money. And when she handed the glass back to me, I just fidgeted with it & then said when she asked why not drinking, said I was already feeling the effects of the alcohol (I'm known as not a big drinker).
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BH, you hope the host didn't use the roll of TP that wasn't on the holder :)
I'm not sure there's any way to get our house really warm. It's ok and I actually prefer it to be cooler but when we first met and DH would be at work, I'd crank up the thermostat to 90 just to get warm. Parts of the house would get warm and other parts wouldn't and I'd hear about it if I forgot to turn it back down.
Gracie, why not just speak to her in those types of situations? If she asked why you weren't drinking, say the fly creeped you out or you're skittish about peoples body parts fishing stuff out of your glass. It's probably more productive than talking about it here and there's nothing wrong with being politely honest (but tactful) with friends.
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gracie you should've asked for a 'hot toddy' to give her a hint.
I personally like my house on the cool side, but I know it's not for everyone.
teigyr- I can only wish I had that problem!
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You are a dolt and you should be an adult. It's one thing to come here to blow off steam after an annoying or aggravating ordeal. It's quite another to come here and boo hoo in place of acting like an adult.
Say something at the time. If it is a good friend, call her on it loudly, . If not, just ask for a new glass, and say you prefer water. That's what you get from accepting screw-top wines )I couldn't resist that last one). If you are cold, just say so. I think it is you who is socially awkward here. She is just a whacko.
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btw phoo, your avatar looks ghastly. When you photograph bland colored food, you need to make it come alive by using a colorful/contrasting dish. I hope it tasted better than it looks!
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you know I kind of have to agree with eDog's first post there. I would really consider whether or not I ever wanted to go back there. That was truely very strange social behavior
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MrINTJ, I would definitely like to get better at that sort of photography. It *was* a cellphone shot, and believe it or not this was the second photo which was much better than the first. You're right about the washed out colors, but at least this time I put some stuff in the bowl so the ingredients would push up enough to show. Before it was just the bland looking broth with mushrooms floating in it. What would you suggest to contrast it with in this case?
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phoo = just ignore this latest troll - Mr INTJ. I am. I was not boo-hooing as this troll inclinded. I was just curious if I was over-reacting to a strange behavior of a hostess. She then announced that my Christmas gift the food item was expired. And I did say to her I was cold & she just laughed. I thought it was just kind of bad manners all around - but yes, it was nice that she did cook dinner for me. And I thanked her for a very "interesting" evening and a delicious meal.
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I hope the she checked the expiration date before making dinner.
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Dinner was fresh & very good but her Christmas present to me had food items in it that she announced had expired.
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Ick, Gracie. Scooping the fly out with a spoon would have been bad enough, but reaching her hand into your glass is just uncouth.
If I was you, I would be otherwise occupied the next time I got an invite to her place.
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Compass - funny you should mention the spoon thing. She had a clean spoon that she was going to put with the setting & it was in the same hand she scooped with. She just transferred the spoon to other hand & then scooped with her hand. This is the same person who won't take any candy out of a community candy dish if there isn't a scoop of some kind but also is the same person who will break a muffin, cookie, etc in half & eat half, leaving the other half - which nobody wants to touch then. And sure enough she will come back later & take the other half. I've asked her repeatedly just take the whole thing "Oh no, I don't want the whole thing." Little quirks with her, I guess.
And as far as going there again - bring my own drink in a glass & make sure it's summer time.Posted 4 months ago # -
OMG, Gracie, that's even worse!
The "half" thing is funny. My granny used to do the same thing, and then would invariably end up eating the other half. It was a big family joke.
I'm with her on the community candy dish. We were once on a ski trip to the Methow with a bunch of friends and most of us came down with a wicked case of food poisoning. After analyzing who ate what, we concluded that the culprit was a self-serve popcorn machine at the local pub. Eeeuuuw.
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I refuse to do pot luck at work because looking at the hygiene of some coworkers I am afraid of what there houses look like.When I was in school I would only trade store sealed items and had a phobia of sandwiches made by anyone but my own mom.
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BH, I hear you. But you probably wouldn't eat in most restaurants if you saw their kitchens either.
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Compass - yewww is right. And actually I feel the same way about community bowls, etc. At work I always put a scoop of some kind but sometimes it ends up outside the bowl.
Funny thing about "Half" thing - I was at a party long time ago & there was a true to the blonde jokes blonde. A little dingy but a sweetie. She smoked & this day she brought out half a cigarette & smoked it. Then later she took out the other half & smoked it. We asked her why she was smoking half cigarettes - and she said I've cut back my smoking in half this way. We tried to explain to her that she was still smoking as much but she just didn't get it.Posted 4 months ago # -
gracie - I thought MrINTJ had a point about the photograph. I did improve it, but there is room for more improvement. I know there are some photographers on this forum and I'd jump at the chance to pick their brains.
When she said that your gift was an expired food item... how did she seem? Was she terribly disappointed? Did she find a way in which to make up for it?
There definitely seems to be some oddness going on.
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If she smoked a half instead of a whole, then she cut done 50%.
It does seem that you endured way too much, but were not direct enough with her to be more comfortable. My advice is to learn to be direct. It sure beats feeling victimized.
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SA ... haHa
Does this mean gracie is the real true blond?
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I agree, SA. It can be really tough. In the case of the bar incident because of the circumstances, I just was very careful to drink from the far side of the glass. Not exactly perfect, but it at least made me feel slightly better.
If this person is simply unsocialized, then they'll probably need the direct approach and not understand hints. If this person has some problematic personality traits, they may either not respond to a direct approach or react poorly. If the latter happens, you've learned something about that person and you probably don't want to hang out with them. If it's the former, you might just make a new and interesting friend, if you can handle the idiosyncracies and be direct.
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Psycho talk aside, why should anyone strive to understand hints?
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Gracie, do you mean you gave her an expired food item or she gave it to you as a Christmas gift?
I'm with SA about being direct. It's not always the easiest approach, but I believe it's best to get things out in the open rather than stew about them or worse (and I'm not suggesting you're doing this), acting passive-aggressive toward the person whose behavior bothers you. If someone has a problem with me, I would much prefer that he/she just come out and say it.
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SA: As someone who has difficulty with socialization, I can tell you that human interaction is absolutely filled with them. If someone talks to you too much, do you interrupt them and say "You are overwhelming me with your speech and I am not interested in your conversation?" Probably nonverbal cues are given, then an excuse made so as to get away.
When someone asks a question that makes the over terribly uncomfortable, it is unlikely that they say "I do not want to answer that." They may, but it's less likely if it's just an every day question that would ordinarily be fine. Instead, they may fidget, hem and haw and look for an out. They are looking for the other person to give them an out.
These are only two example out of tons that occur all the time.
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She gave me the expired food items for Christmas. She did ask me beforehand if I ever ate/drank things with expired dates & I said usually no, I don't. Then I found out later when I unwrapped my present why she said this.
Smartsy -First - I didn't feel victimized. I was just like WTF? And as far as the cigarette girl - this was a different person. She had broken cigs into two;would take out one half, smoke it & then later pull out other half & smoke that. repeat, Repeat. So technically she was smoking both halves and no reduction in smoking.
And Buff - nope, I'm not a blonde. I'm a red head w/highlights (at least this month!) So I have "red head moments instead of blonde moments!!!
I just didn't feel comfortable asking for another glass of wine after she put her hand in it. Don't know why. And the coldness, I did mention but she just laughed it off. I appreciated her cooking dinner for me but just felt it was weird about the wine & cold issues. She entertains a lot and I thought it would be a different experience. I should have gotten a clue when she brought out hors d'ouevre and it was pickles in a jar that she used her hands to put them in a dish. Different strokes for different folks!
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I'm with SA. I would even further it by saying that if someone I invited to my home can't tell me what's wrong, and instead outs me elsewhere, it's not someone I want to invite back. If you value this person, give it to them straight, or cut them loose. What you're doing is passive aggressive.
Regarding the fly, who cares? People eat fried pig belly (bacon), brains, and fungus in decomposing milk (called cheese). It's all good. Your stomach has a pH (acidity) of 2, also the pH of battery acid, which will denature the little fruit fly's innards in no time flat anyway. I would have fished out the fruit fly with my hand too, but I would have drunk your wine and given you another.
I err in the other extreme, and often have been so blunt as to say to guests, "ok, you have to leave, it's past my bedtime and I'm exhausted..." or some other direct request.
Last, I am not in judgement of you gracie, although I have described your behavior in a way that is less than flattering. Sometimes we need society to reflect us so we can understand our patterns and motivations. Go in peace, of feel free to call me on my bs. And Happy New Year, dammit.
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bio - well aren't you the one. You too have a happy damn new years.:-O And I don't eat bugs or many of the items you mentioned (you do make bacon sound oh so good - not!)
This person has a very sensitive personality and gets hurt easily so didn't want to offend her. If that's passive aggressive, I guess that was the case. My whole point was that I thought it was weird & wondering if I was wrong thinking it was weird - because I would never treat my guests like that. There would have been a fresh glass of wine & the temperature in the house would have been comfortable. (in fact I ask them if it is warm enough or too warm or cold). That is the goal - to make guests feel at home & comfortable.Posted 4 months ago # -
Wow, pickles as an appetizer. interesting. I suppose I'd do that if I had made the pickles, but i would consider it a bit odd to serve the regular (not gourmet) ones from the store by themselves. It's not necessarily bad, but odd.
The fact that she sensitive to feedback is a bad thing in this case because she is unable to understand her guest's needs, cues and weird social rules. The cure for a lack of those things is directness, which she doesn't seem to tolerate well. I wouldn't go to her house again.
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Gracie, she gave you expired food items as a gift?!? WTF? My guess, given the other things you've mentioned, is that she's a cheapskate.
I get not wanting to say anything for fear of hurting her feelings. It can be hard to confront friends.
And biophile, I think most people, myself included, would be sufficiently grossed out by a fly in the wine to not drink it.
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phoo - I had forgotten about the pickles until typing response on this forum. And you hit it right on the head - she doesn't take directness very well.
And as far as your avatar - that food looks mighty good!!! I'm off to find myself something good for dinner that doesn't require a lot of cooking. So not in the mood to cook tonight. You all have a good night & stay warm & don't serve "fly wine"!!Posted 4 months ago # -
Thanks for the feedback, CR. Constructive criticism is always welcome.
My standards may have been lowered since I have a booger eater, and get woken up with vomit. Maggots and cockroaches. That's my line. *shudder*
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Bio +1
Gracie - if you are worried about her sensitive personality and the fact that she gets hurt very easily why on earth did you start this thread? She might be reading it as we speak. It isn't like you were vague.
Edit: A fly in the wine is no big deal. You'd be surprised how many little critters you are eating on a daily basis without even knowing it :-)
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Oh, well, that explains a lot, Bio. :)
I live with no booger eaters and only occasionally have to deal with kitty vomit. So my tolerance is probably a little lower than yours. Plus I'm easily grossed out.
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Maybe it would be helpful if she does read this thread. But I'm guessing she's not a MB reader or Gracie probably wouldn't have posted what she did.
I posted something critical of my selfish, self-centered SIL not long ago on a different forum, and was initially horrified when my brother told me she reads that forum. Then I realized that I'm glad she read it. She's not someone who extends herself at all and forming a meaningful relationship to her is pretty much impossible, as is having a real conversation with her. So if she read it, I'm glad.
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Can't you just leave Gracie alone, Penny?
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Gracie, get over it the stuff we pay to eat is worst than what your friend was giving you, for example:
Mushrooms The FDA allows 19 maggots and 74mites in every 3.5 ounce can off mushrooms. YUM! While maggots won’t hurt you, they aren’t very appetizing. Choose fresh mushrooms instead, and wash them.
Jelly Beans Colorful, festive, Jelly Beans contain artificial food dyes, most of which are derived from petroleum materials
Chewing Gum contains lanolin, found in skincare products. It softens up your hands, and your chewing gum.
Note: Lanolin is the oily secretion found in sheep wool. Every time you chew, you’re chewing sheep sweat.castoreum listed on vanilla & raspberry ice cream. castoreum is the anal secretions & urine from a beaver. While not known to be harmful, knowing there’s beaver pee in your ice cream may help you cut empty calories
Bread
Many commercial types of bread contain a softening agent known as L-Cysteine.
Note: L-Cysteine is made from HUMAN HAIR! Wonderbread is people! Kidding, but not about the human hair. The other source for L-cysteine is duck feathers.Types of bugs that you are eating
Thrips
At anywhere from 1/25 to 1/8 of an inch long, these tiny little winged parasites are legally allowed in apple butter, canned or frozen asparagus, frozen broccoli, and frozen Brussels sprouts.Aphids
Those same little green or black bugs that can destroy a bouquet of flowers can infiltrate your frozen veggies, particularly spinach, broccoli, and Brussels sprouts. And if you home-brew beer, you might consider growing your own hops: The FDA legally allows 2,500 aphids for every 10 grams of hops.Maggots
If you’ve ever eaten canned food, you’ve probably also eaten a maggot. These disgusting little critters abound in things like canned mushrooms, canned tomatoes, tomato paste, and pizza sauces, as well as fresh, frozen, or Maraschino cherries. Mushrooms are by far the worst: 20 maggots are allowed for every 100 grams of drained mushroom, and 5 for every 500 grams of tomato products.Fruit Flies
Buy a piece of fruit covered in fruit flies, and you can wash them off. Buy a can of citrus juice, and you’ll be swilling five fruit flies with every 8-ounce cup of juice. Grab an 8-ounce handful of raisins, and you could be eating as many as 35 fruit-fly eggsCaterpillars
Fuzzy, ugly caterpillars are supposed to turn into beautiful butterflies for people to marvel at—not eat in a mouthful of frozen spinach. But along with the 50 or so aphids, mites, and thrips allowed in 100 grams of spinach, you may also find yourself munching on caterpillar larvae and larval fragmentsPosted 4 months ago # -
I understand why you started the thread. I have a lot of "Is it me?" moments that I check out with other people.
I do want to change my post though. I think what Phoo described quite probably is what is going on. She sounds like she is on the spectrum of some sort of personality issue. She may not know what she's doing is odd. If you see maliciousness or meanness that is one thing but if it is all just quirkiness, maybe, as phoo said, if you can get past it you may spend time with an interesting person. People with personality issues are also usually very smart and creative.
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Pot Kettle Edog.
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Rich - I could have gone a lot longer without knowing all that stuff you know....
What the OP was refering to was abnormal social behavior. Whether or not it was unsanitary is totally irrelevant, it was unacceptable, rude and obnoxious to say the least and yes I think the person probably has some sort of personality disorder.Posted 4 months ago # -
LIA - I actually thought she just sounded like one of those quirky characters that actually make life more interesting. I think that a tiny fly in the wine and a cold house sounds much more interesting than one of those sit down dinners where everyone is on their best behavior and no-one says anything as a result.
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Actually bambooboy, I think it depends on how long the OP and the Hostess have known each other. It would be one thing if they were strangers - another if they go back a long (or even a medium) way.
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It's also a one sided story. No offense to OP but we all skew conversations to our perception of them. I could easily say people tend to be cold in my house. They do. It's nothing to do with hospitality and we pay our utility bills. I've seen expired food be given away on this forum. It happens. The fly is really nothing.
I firmly believe that if someone is a friend and you go to their house, be upfront with them, talk to a close friend about it, or keep it to yourself. Coming to a forum to complain after someone opened their house to you is actually worse (imo) than digging a fly out of a wine glass.
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There is a lot to be said for being a gracious host(ess) in generously offering what you have to your guest.
There is also a lot to be said for being a gracious guest in kindly accepting what is offered.And Rich Y. - microbiology and parasitology were two of my favorite classes in school but that doesn't mean you are supposed to share the information among the squeamish. You have to leave them something to eat after all.
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Pennygirl - I agree. Any of my friends can dip there hand in my drink anytime. I think.... never actually had it happen.
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We often go over to my BFF's house for dinners and parties. She has a great husband and several kids, and we are happy to be invited.
1. Cold house - if its cold, I ask her to borrow one of her fleece jackets. No problem for me as I like a 65 degree house, and usually wear fleece around our house. The last time I was there, I brought my own fleece, and noticed another friend was wearing the fleece she loaned me on the last visit. Perhaps your friend is having hot flashes? If the house is cold, people can always add layers, but if the house is too warm, there is not much you can do to make people comfortable, without some very awkward moments!
2. Bug in reisling - bugs like sweet wine, drink a dry pinot gris and let them fly into someone elses nasty glass of sweet wine. But, I was alarmed when my friend ended up with my glass of wine, and me with hers, no big deal though, she is clean and healthy. I did polish it off, and washed the glass before the next glass, because 'we were switching wines'.
3. Fingers in wine / food - I see my BFF do things I would not do, sticking fingers in salad and snacking on it when preparing for others. But, I think since these people treat us like family, they are uncensored around us. I see this as a compliment.
Generally, I try to be clean and hygenic, but, americans in general seem phobic. Picking a bug out of wine, might be gross, but it most likely wont hurt you. We are exposed to very toxic thing from the unseen preparation of restaurant and packaged meals, and in my opinion, bus rides (thats a whole different story!). At least when we see what is going on among friends, we can make informed decisions. Also, picking pickles out of a jar with ones fingers? Pickles are vinegar and salt, nothing can live through that!
The bottom line for me is, wash your hands often, cover your cough, and stop touching your face. Those three things will reduce the transmition of bad things!
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