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Started 4 months ago by Edog
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File this under absurd and Discus!

http://www.salon.com/2013/02/01/joe_biden_vs_lindsey_graham_who_knows_more_about_post_apocalyptic_survival/
I'm with Joe on the shot gun thing. Not because I voted for this administration, but Dad always said the further you live from law enforement the more you need a shot gun around the place. In that sense, Joe's comments resonated deeply with me.

When it comes to brass tacks, if I lived in the stixs, I think I'd rather live with two BIG dogs than worry about ammo.

Posted 4 months ago #
dsomers

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Edog.....since you mention it....brass tacks might not be a bad idea either? Strewn around the doorways? Or some caltrops? Sharpened? Should get quite a yelp from the miscreants as they try to enter. An old trick used by sailors at night in pirate waters.

<grin> D

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ballardmike

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Paranoia Will Destroy Ya....

I suppose if I lived out in the country where some knuckle-dragger might come a-callin' I'd consider a shot gun.

50-plus years here in the city and not a single occasion where I felt that I ought to have a gun around.

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Edog - both would be good! But for home protection for the average person a pump shotgun with "000" buckshot would be very effective against "bad" people. And a box of shotgun "slug" shells just in case one needed to shoot down the street at a zombie or two.
Average folks would have a hard time with an assault weapon. So Joe is probably right. Both make a lot of noise and both have kick back so if you are not ready you could get hurt.
And most dogs are only good for letting you know there are possibly "bad" people nearby, most "bad" people can take care of a dog if they want to get something.

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I recently watched all of the current Walking Dead series so I am up to date on what to do if the "end" comes! :)

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VeganBiker

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Also a shotgun is cheaper than and AR-15. Ammo is cheaper. A pump shotgun can be modified legally to hold up to 9 shells, so what more do you need.

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Edog

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Who would have thought vegans could be such killers?

Posted 4 months ago #
iPlod

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What?! It's nothing short of vegan heaven, Edog. Blowing away all that meat!

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Edog

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I thought that was feminist heaven?

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iPlod

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Ha Ha!

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VeganBiker

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Edog - I am an animal right activist and a survivalist. Figure that one out.

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Corvus

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Makes total sense to me. If the animals don't survive we won't be far behind. But I tend to have conflicted feelings - I usually cheer for the bears and sharks and the occasional mountain goat.

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pennygirl

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VB only aims at humans.

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VeganBiker

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Don't misunderstand me, I am all about saving the wild animals of this earth and not annihilating them! But if there ever comes a time in my life when civilization collapses and the food supply is gone, then I will procure and eat anything that keeps me and my family alive.

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ballardmike, FTW.

http://www.myballard.com/forum/topic.php?id=15409#post-208104

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VeganBiker

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racerX - yea he is probably right, but, well you never know, now do you? There are some weird zombies around nowadays. :)

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racerX

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VB, You're probably right: we'll never know, really. :)

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VeganBiker

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racerX - I really hope that is true "we'll never know". Violence and anger never seems to get the human race to a "better" place.

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pennygirl

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VB....

I have been told on good authority that the only safe place in the event of a zombie apocalypse is a North Sea oil rig :-)

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VeganBiker

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pg - until someone flies in that is infected or as in the series just dies and comes back! Ahhhh, we are screwed! Have you watched the series pg? I got so hooked on it, very addictive.
Oil rig! no where to go if a zombie does appear. I am a lousy swimmer in open water so I would soon be a zombie. :)

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pennygirl

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We will have to snag a helicopter up in Scotland. When we get there those things are so tall that we can shoot them on arrival. Sorted.

Posted 4 months ago #
Edog

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Romeros last film has a scene on a ferryboat that's the closest thing to an oil rig I think has ever been zombie dramatized.

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VeganBiker

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pg - I think I would like to just take over a wee castle in the glen (Monarch of the Glen type) and hold them off there. Lot's of deer and fish and other stuff to eat. I think the oil rig would freak me out after a few weeks of isolation, how the heck do you get off those things in a wild North Sea storm and no helo? Argh! And if in a castle one could take run to get supplies of single malt from somewhere, I am sure. :)

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Edog

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But then your ungrateful son would return from running his restaurant in London and expect to be the laird.... I would change the channel and put Walking Dead back on.

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VeganBiker

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Edog - I am LMAO! Thanks for that.

pg - seems that your friend is on to something:
http://zombie.wikia.com/wiki/Offshore_Oil_Rigs

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Corvus

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Do you remember "The Thing"? That would be like an oil rig - isolated, no hope for a lone ranger to come riding along and that monster was pretty much like a zombie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(1982_film)

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Edog

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But they were in the arctic

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pennygirl

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No VB. We keep the Heli on the Heli pad and return to the mainland as needed. I have it all worked out. We will also have a lot of whisky on our oil rig. Don't worry :-)

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Edog

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Oh that will make for safe flying. Nothing could possibly go wrong with that plan.

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pennygirl

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Designated flyer Edog. ffs.

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Corvus

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Absolutely no offense meant to this poor fellow, but there are plenty of humans to go around and precious few mountain goats, sharks and bears, IMHO.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/outposts/2010/10/hiker-killed-by-mountain-goat-in-washingtons-olympic-national-park.html

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Corvus

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Actually it was the Antarctic.

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Edog

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That will never work.. I always stumble on those 12 steps

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Edog

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It's been a bazillion years since I've seen that film so I still get credit. Seriously I don't think I'd kissed a girl the last time I saw that film.

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pennygirl

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That is why you will never be on the oil rig Edog.

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Edog

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Why because I drink or because I was a shy little 8 year old?

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Corvus

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Wow, 8. OK that explains a lot. No offense mind you.

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Edog

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Thats ok Corvus and I'm still never going to kiss you no matter how nicely you ask.

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Corvus

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So North Sea oil rigs aren't that different from Antarctic scientific outposts, or for that matter, any of the oil wells on the Alaskan North Slope.

Posted 4 months ago #
Corvus

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Please don't ask.

Posted 4 months ago #
VeganBiker

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Pg - OK, I am with your tribe! :)

Posted 4 months ago #
pennygirl

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Fab VB!

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Edog

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But you are both Welsh so was this ever a question?

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pennygirl

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Well we were thinking about taking others but now your card is marked Edog.

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Edog

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Why cause I'm drunk who can't be trusted to fly

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pennygirl

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It's a Welsh helicopter. Find your own.

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Edog

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You mean Airbus made it?

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VeganBiker

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Edog - that would be Eurocopter, Airbus does not make helicopters.
And pg get the AS332 if you can, or a Boeing C-47 Chinook!

Posted 4 months ago #
Ernie

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Just like hipsters and PBR, I've never understood why so many people are into zombie movies and planning for zombie apocalypses.

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pennygirl

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Clever Ernie :-)

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Ernie

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I'm not trying to be snarky, :) just seriously surprised at the level of popularity that zombies have in our culture all of a sudden. FWIW, I don't get PBR either, it tastes like piss, if it was $.50 on happy hour that would be too much.

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pennygirl

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Oh!

Personally, I blame Shaun of the Dead. The oil rig reference is from a book that my kid owns: The Zombie Survival Guide :-)

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VeganBiker

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Ernie - I know what you mean about zombie popularity. I never watched those types of movies and when I used to see all the zombie outfitted folks at Fremont I never understood the appeal but then my daughter mentioned The Walking Dead and I started watching and got totally hooked! Just something about the way the series is setup got me addicted to it.
My thoughts on the popularity is that the whole "end of the world" thing, last year, got people thinking about possible scenarios for the Apocalypse and zombies fits right into that.
We are like sheep in that respect, one goes and most of us follow.

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VeganBiker

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pg - Shaun of the Dead probably did contribute to this current trend, it made a lot of money! And so did Night of the Living Dead and it is still going strong.

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pennygirl

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Vegan...

Try and find this online: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Set

As for the whole 'zombie' thing, I think the film 28 days later had a lot to do with it. That's well worth a watch if you haven't already seen it.

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VeganBiker

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pg- I missed both of those so thanks for letting me know about them, I will watch them!

Posted 4 months ago #
onederfullone

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I recall explaining the wisdom of a shotgun for home defence years ago here.

I do own a 7-iron. You'd be wise to drop when you feel the shotgun, fwiw.

AR-15 is over-rated, talk about a pea-shooter, maybe it's good for slaughtering children, mall shoppers etc.

Sorry for that, but it is true.

Stopping power, several rounds, slugs or flack, shotgun. Period.

Then, call serve-pro, 'Like it never even happened", fwiw.

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Edog

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I am manic insane for good a Zombie film!! The concept moves me like no other. Problem is the concept is frequently misunderstood. (I think the zombie thing has been simmering for a long time and well predates the hipster kids.) Sean of the Dead is a great film but its a blip compared to how the Walking Dead comics have moved and contributed to the genre. Maybe I state the obvious but a "real" zombie film is science fiction first and horror second and that's what makes Romero the god; he nails that point. The gore and horror usually contribute more to the comedy than the fear. The real angst is derived from the collapse of civilization for whatever reason. It can be a metaphor for many things but its mostly about natural limits and what point we lose our humanity. And I think it's that idea that makes these films so popular today. In many different ways its hard not to look at the world and wonder how long this can go on. The opening credit sequence of the Dawn of the Dead remake that came out around the same time as Sean of the Dead did and excellent job of illustrating the theme in a brilliant montage that left me in a state of total euphoria.

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pennygirl

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Is that the one where they're trapped in the mall? If so, that's a good 'un. But I still prefer 28 days later for obvious reasons.

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onederfullone

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"(I think the zombie thing has been simmering for a long time and well predates the hipster kids.)"

IRL, fwiw, which is why I fear you all ;-)

I can't tell you apart...

penny, you are excluded. fwiw.

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