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Q for parents with kids in Spectrum Program

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  1. gooner

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    Our daughter just tested into the Seattle Schools Spectrum Program, but our current school, Adams, doesn't offer it.

    We are very happy with Adams. It is only a few blocks away, the wife volunteers, our daughter is very happy with a lot of friends... but I don't want to take away an opportunity for her to get the most out of school as possible.

    Is moving schools for this program really worth it?

    Before anyone gets their knickers (yes I know you are all wearing them) in a bunch, I am not suggesting for one moment that we are absolutely limiting her by not moving her. On the contrary, that is where I am stumped. I am a firm believer that the majority of a kids ability to learn/focus and do well in school starts at home. Teachers and schools certainly impact that as well, but they can only work with what they are getting from the home life. This is why I am not a strong believer in Private schools. I get the feeling that many (not all) parents think that they have done their job if they just send them off to a private education. But if their kids is neglected at home in many ways that limit their learning, that isn't going to solve for much.

    Ok I am digressing. The point is... is up-routing her from a quite positive situation worth the opportunity. She is the type of learner that needs focus and can be easily distracted so it feels like it could be very positive for her.

    Anywho. Would love to hear from anyone who has had experience with the Spectrum Program and am also looking forward to the snark around the Honor Role Student bumper sticker that I am going to go buy.

    Posted 4 months ago #
  2. Oly

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    Isn't Adams an Advanced Learning Opportunity school?

    My oldest tested in the top one percent nationally. We left him at Salmon Bay and then he loaded up on AP classes at Ballard. He graduated from the UW in three and half years.

    As for my other son, I could have put the "my son can kick your honor roll students ass" sticker on my car.

    Posted 4 months ago #
  3. great idea

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    I'd be inclined to leave her at her current school. I don't know how the ALO program works but I'm sure there could be some means of challenging her (either at home or school) until middle school where she can take the 'spectrum' classes.

    Posted 4 months ago #
  4. boatgeek

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    If she's getting adequately challenged by the schoolwork at Adams, I wouldn't move her if she were my child. However, I would strongly recommend Spectrum at the middle school level. We did that basic approach with our older child, and it went pretty well. The only major hitch was basically skipping 6th grade math on entry into middle school. That caused some heartburn for a year, but was manageable. If Adams has Walk to Math or other ALO programs for math, this concern would be reduced.

    Maintaining Spectrum/APP eligibility through to high school can give you more options in where to send her, or it may not, depending on how the programs and assignment plans change between now and then.

    Again, my approach, YMMV.

    Posted 4 months ago #
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    The Spectrum program at Whittier is good, but I honestly don't know if it's worth moving schools for, especially since Adams has ALO opportunities. Another thing to remember--there is often a large wait list for Spectrum, no guaranteed entry. Truthfully I don't know if Spectrum kids are doing anything that "different" from other general education classes at the school, maybe more homework ;-) If your daughter is happy and is being challenged at Adams, I probably wouldn't move her.

    Posted 4 months ago #
  6. Westcoastmom

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    Basically Spectrum is taught one year in advance of the grade your child is in. APP is taught two years in advance of the grade your child is in. And ALO is where the school acknowledges that your child is advanced in a certain subject and helps them by challenging them in that subject. For example if your child finds grade three math too easy they will move them to a grade four math class. That is why the whole school does math block at the same time. Just so you know, the teachers that teach Spectrum do not have any special training. They are just teaching at a different grade level. My child has always tested into Spectrum but I chose to keep her in a regular class, and she has done well. You know your child the best, just because she tested into Spectrum doesn't mean they will find a spot for her. You will need to apply this month for her to move to a school that has Spectrum. Good Luck.

    Posted 4 months ago #
  7. biophile87

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    I would also think of who your daughter is socially. Does she make friends easily? Are you moving her to a grade where social awkwardness and cattiness (female) is increased? All children being unique in development, do you feel its in her service to be challenged academically, as well as socially? Moving can be harder on some kids than others. Just food for thought.

    Posted 4 months ago #
  8. h2o_girl

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    I have to mention that the Spectrum waiting list at Whittier is usually pretty long and there is a rather high likelihood your daughter would not get in. My daughter went to Whittier and was on the waiting list for four years and never made it into the class. Several of her classmates were in the same boat. Although I believe they've dropped the sibling preference now so perhaps it's a bit easier? Not sure. If you decide to keep her at Adams I would talk to the principal about getting her classified as ALO to preserve her Spectrum eligibility for middle school. In my opinion that is where it's definitely more advantageous to be in the spectrum LA classes, although again there are usually waiting lists to get in.

    Posted 4 months ago #
  9. gooner

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    Wow... thanks for all the thoughtful insight... this is great.

    Yes, Adams does offer ALO, but I don't know much about it yet to be honest.

    H20 Girl, you reference keeping her eligibility by getting classified as ALO. is that the only way of keeping eligibility without signing her up for the next school year?

    Thanks all....

    Posted 4 months ago #
  10. boatgeek

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    ALO is really no change from her current situation. You get a different report card (or at least, you did), but you keep the same teacher and the same classroom. The only change is that now the District knows that your child should be taught a little ahead, so your teacher should be challenging her more. A good teacher would be doing all of that already. ALO is just keeping the paperwork up to date.

    Posted 4 months ago #
  11. InBetweenDays

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    We went through this same decision process last year and ultimately chose to stay at Adams. Since Adams is an ALO school your daughter will keep her Specturm designation - so even if you don't transfer to Whittier, once she reaches middle school she can enter the Spectrum program there.

    Adams does have the walk-to-math program. At the beginning of the year they test all of the kids on the math skills they should know at the end of the next year. So in first grade they test them on what they should know by the end of second grade. Based on these scores (and the MAP scores) they will place them in a math group. Your child may stay with their same math teacher or they may walk to a different class (possibly even a year ahead) for the math block. For reading/writing they stay with their same teacher who just works with them at their level.

    Posted 4 months ago #
  12. angeline

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    In my experience, ALO is useless except to maintain Spectrum eligibility for middle school -- and for that, it is like gold because if your kid qualifies for Spectrum she is unlikely to be challenged enough in standard middle school classes. At elementary school we were lucky enough to have great teachers who challenged all the kids at their varying levels and a school administration that encouraged it. If a school doesn't have that philosophy, no paperwork for ALOs will change it. It sounds like Adams is doing OK in that regard with the walk-to-math, and reading/writing is pretty easy to supplement at home for kids who are into it.

    I recommend talking to her teacher about what he/she thinks is appropriate, but personally I would be inclined to stay put.

    Posted 4 months ago #
  13. h2o_girl

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    It was my understanding that you have to be officially designated an ALO student and receive the ALO report card to maintain your eligibility for Spectrum, not just attend an ALO school. I would check with your principal at Adams or the Advanced Learning dept at SPS to make sure.

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    This year is my family's 11th year in SPS and if I had it to do over again I would have chosen an elementary school that does NOT have a Spectrum program om site. In my experience there is too much separation between Spectrum and non-Spectrum students (despite what they will tell you on tours) It was eye opening when my oldest son entered middle school and did not know the kids in his math class who had been in the same grade school with him since kindergarten- they were Spectrum, he was not. I will bite my tongue and leave that as my main point but could fill a page with my Spectrum grievances. If you have a school you like don't fix what isn't broken- choosing not to have your child working one year above grade level is not a life changing decision. Enjoy this time- it goes by fast!!

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  15. InBetweenDays

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    Yes, that is true. You do have to receive the ALO report card. But anyone who tests as Academically Gifted (Spectrum) or Academically Highly Gifted (APP) is given the option of enrolling in the ALO program if your school has one.

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  16. InBetweenDays

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    I should add that, at least at Adams, the ALO program is open to both those students that formally test in and those that are identified by their teachers as needing more of a challenge. But only those that test in receive the ALO report card and retain the eligibility for Spectrum or APP.

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    Gooner, my oldest tested into APP this time last year, which is basically like Spectrum but with the somewhat added benefit of guaranteeing kids a spot at Lowell vs hoping for a spot at Whittier. After much soul searching & touring, plus questioning all sorts of teachers, etc at Adams and at Lowell, we opted to stay at Adams. My concerns were much like yours, the security and comfort of a known school and good friends, vs the whole "great opportunity" of an advanced program, etc. We really loved the community at Adams, and felt that he had thrived there in personal ways, plus the art and music programs at Lowell didn't even begin to compare to what is happening at Adams... And we loved the ALO option, especially that it would preserve APP eligibility for junior high and high school.

    For the most part, we have been THRILLED with our ALO experience. That said, I think it really comes down to your teacher, and the community of kids around you. When we were debating what to do, we were fortunate enough to have several friends facing the same decision. Most of us opted to stay at Adams (which actually has the second highest number of spectrum/APP eligible kids who stay at their home school, after West Woodland), which has definitely alleviated some of our concerns about having a group of similarly situated students both for companionship and for practical concerns with the school. It also helps to have a GREAT teacher who fully embraces the idea of ALO, which I know not every teacher does. In our case, she has really taken the APP designation seriously. Originally she placed my kiddo in the math class one year ahead of his class, but after Christmas she took the initiative to move him again to the advanced version of that year. In theory, this will keep him on track to be two years ahead by next fall. That was important to us only in terms of easily tranistioning him into the APP program at the junior high level, something that I think we will probably do but haven't committed to yet. (I don't know how much you have been following the debate over junior highs, but the lack of a stable building for the APP program also impacted our decision.)

    In theory, ALO should be much easier for reading/writing, since Adams already uses an advanced reading program that differentiates between reading levels. Again, I think this is where a good teacher who believes in ALO makes all the difference. My son's experiences last year were NOT great in this dept, mostly because shyness was mistaken for inability. (Have to say, this is honestly where I felt like the APP designation made the biggest difference; for better or worse it DRAMATICALLY changed how my child's teacher saw him. That one piece of paper suddenly made him much more capable... ;-) )

    We do get the ALO report card. My understanding is that the district office automatically provides this for any child that has been "officially" designated Spectrum or APP. I'm not sure how it works with kids who are designated by their teacher. In our case, the report card simply shows if he is meeting or exceeding the standards for one year ahead.

    Again, we have been VERY happy with our experience at Adams, but I know a huge part of that is having a great teacher and a great community of parents around us. I have a friend whose APP-eligible daughter ended up with another teacher who has not embraced the ALO program in the same way, and their year has not been great. They will prob move to Lowell in the fall, but at least she won't have to retest or anything. I would encourage you to talk with other folks considering Spectrum. Given the high numbers at Adams, you might be pleasantly surprised how many of your child's friends also qualify. While I certainly don't think it's the only thing that matters when it comes to my kid's friendships, having that peer group has definitely been nice for him. (For example, he isn't the only kid walking to a higher math class, so he doesn't feel self-conscious, etc.) I also have to admit that when it comes to things like working with the administration, etc., there is strength in numbers. As the number of ALO eligible kids has shot up dramatically at Adams, Dr. Johnson has made serious efforts to provide a meaningful ALO experience. I definitely feel like it can be as "real" as you help make it...

    OK, sorry if this is sort of rambling! I remember going through this anxiety last year, and all I can say is that we have ZERO regrets about staying at Adams.

    Posted 4 months ago #
  18. ballardmama1979

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    I am in the same boat with my daughter who has tested into Spectrum but is currently at an ALO school (Loyal Heights). We love our school so I'd only want to move her if Spectrum would be a major improvement. But after reading here it may be that keeping her where she is as an ALO student would be serving her best... Thanks for all the input! I'm glad I found this thread as I was just about to post the same question :)

    Posted 4 months ago #
  19. boatgeek

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    One more clarification--north end elementary APP was at Lowell a few years ago, but is now housed at Lincoln in Wallingford. At some point, the district will assign a building for this group of kids. The odds-on favorite is the new Wilson-Pacific elementary (~90th and Aurora) that will be built as part of the just-approved levy. However, we won't know for sure until they make an announcement, and even then it might be changed. APP has been kicked around a lot as capacity issues have come and gone.

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    Sorry, boatgeek - I still think of it as "Lowell at Lincoln"... and yep, the lack of a permanent space was a big concern for us. The folks we know there now are hanging on, but there is def a sense of frustration with the uncertainty about the next few years and how often they have been split up/moved around, etc. Plus Lincoln was a high school originally, so it just really isn't set up to be an elementary school.... the idea of a north end APP school is appealing, but too late for my current kid... and def one of those things I'll believe when I see it. ;)

    Posted 3 months ago #

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