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Corvus
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I have. Can't say that I could tell the difference. Horse meat is fairly common in the former eastern block countries. I had horse as a main dish in Prague in the early 90's. So what is all the fuss about?
http://news.msn.com/world/3-arrested-in-britain-over-horsemeat-scandal-1
biophile87
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Ok, this begs for the hijack: What's the worst thing you ever ate. I've had snake and dog, but draw the line at bull's testicles. I'm not a savage, for crying out loud.
biophile87
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Most disgusting IME*O: cow brains and tongue.
E* Elevated, of course.
Cate
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Once you have made the decision to eat animal flesh it seems kinda silly to differentiate between species.
I can see why if people are paying for beef they might object to getting horse instead.
Corvus
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I had worms in Mexico. I thought it was rather tasty.
Edog
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I once ate a horse in Switzerland and donkey in Italy. The fuss is about truth in advertising or accurate labeling along with whats socially acceptable in different countries.
When the story first broke in Ireland, horsemeat was being labeled as beef. Thats wrong even in a country that eats horse. If it happens in a country where eating horse is offensive well its pretty obvious why someone would get bent out of shape.
Edit ---
More specifically, in relation to the link Corvus posted it looks like "equine painkiller may have entered the human food chain in France" which sounds like it might not be a good thing, but that point not addressed in the article.
onederfullone
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No.
Corvus
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Ever eaten a chicken nugget? Or how bout that pink slime stuff. If it were all about truth in advertising, it wouldn't make headlines.
Corvus
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But I like Biophile's hijack. It is a much more interesting subject.
pennygirl
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Considering the fact that I have eaten Findus Beef Lasagne in the past it's safe to say that I have indeed eaten horse.
Horse I am ok with I think; phenylbutazone not so much.
enatai70
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I too had horse meat in Switzerland
biophile87
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Point well taken, Cate. This was in my teen years, when I had never heard of the concept of vegetarianism. You don't pass up food in any form in the Jungle.
That said, you make me ponder. I do think of dogs and pigs as having a higher sense of being or self, and hold cattle at a lower rung of hierarchy. Not that I eat any of those anymore, but you do make me reflect on my values. For a long time, after I'd given up all other "meat", I would still eat bacon. Bacon really is like heroin, difficult to give up. Today, salmon is my bacon. And cheese. Looking for the day that I can transcend. Wish I could transcend. For now, I am humbly non dogmatic, as the kid knashes her teeth, hisses, tears at a piece of "humane" turkey meat and declares "I am NOT a vegetarian!" meaning, she won't even look at a vegetable without gagging.
Edog
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Good thought provoking questions on the slime and nuggets Corvus.
biophile87
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I often think about insects as a food source that is more democratic protein for the global population, including us, privileged US citizens that we are. Ew. But if you made it look like ground meat, you could mix it into stuff like spaghetti sauce, I could handle that.
iPlod
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True that. Just give it a "marketable" name and label with a good price, and bug protein will sell like "Krab" meat.
Edog
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Like call it Donkey instead of Ass?
biophile87
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Edog. I just read "Donkey" and "Ass" and I laughed out loud. Does that make me immature?
Cate
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biophile - Salmon is my bacon too. I think everyone is a hypocrite occasionally, and my infrequent meals of salmon just makes me human.
It really is a luxury to be a vegetarian or a vegan or to make choices between the types of meat you'll eat. For most of the world adequate food, adequate protein, whatever its source, can be scarce, expensive and difficult to come by.
Is there enough protein in insects to make them a realistic food source?
biophile87
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Insects are far more efficient at transitioning the suns energy to chemical energy than vertebrates. Check out this cool review that I will now read instead of doing the dishes like a good spouse:
http://www.dellchallenge.org/sites/default/files/groups/296442/documents/EnergyEfficientFoodProduction.pdf
oldguybc
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Biophile, sis- in- law gets "Rocky Mountain Oysters" all the time, has served them to the family on one occasion without telling us what they were, fairly delicious, actually... MsOG did not like them, FWIW...
PS, love your new picture, is that you with a tiger? Would love to see teigyr with a tiger,,,
biophile87
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Just got kicked out of the kitchen! Hooray!
biophile87
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Nope. I just can't do it, OG. I don't care how delicious.
PS, thank you!. That's Kadari, the "little" Bengal female. Off to the side was Drifter, the Siberian male. He was not yet full grown and nearly knocked me down with his tail! That photo is probably a decade old and several states away though.
biophile87
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ok, called back to the kitchen.
shelley
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Corvus, yes we had horse a couple of times in Colorado. Pretty sure it wasn't drug adulterated though.
Biophile87, the worst thing I ever had was haggis.
BuffaloHawk
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Bacon...
schaatser
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Just (literally) got back from three weeks of traveling in Ghana. As much as I thought that I was mentally prepared for the experience, it really changed my perspective on our ability to choose specific selective diets here. I went with the goal of trying to remain vegan or at least vegetarian, but was quickly faced with the fact that in many places you eat what is offered to you or you don't eat - especially in areas outside of the cities and expat hotels.
I tried my first grasscutter a.k.a. nutria a.k.a. bushmeat a.k.a. giant rat. It wasn't bad smothered in spicy soup with a cold beer. Might be a solution for the boat loads of them that are overrunning the wetlands in the south right now.
biophile87
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schaatser, go to sleep, rat-eater.
And call me when you get up. Missed you.
VeganBiker
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schaatser - RATS!
Glad that you are back home safe and sound, I want to hear all about that trip soon.
VeganBiker
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Corvus - I ate horse meat in France back in the 1960s, I remember that what I had was quite tough and took a lot of chewing.
As to eating other animals and all parts of the animals well growing up in rural Britain in the 50s I ate just about every part of meat from cows tongue, brawn (brain) tripe etc. Pigs feet in soup, rabbit, any wild bird that was big enough to eat, blood sausage, liver kidneys etc. Back then I was a meat eater and it all tasted good. Frankly I found it odd when I came to the US and never saw those types of meat in the supermarket.
And shelly- haggis is not that bad if prepared correctly, quite tasty for a meat eater in fact.
boatgeek
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I've eaten horse. Not bad, but kinda tough. Ostrich is better in the low-grade meat department. My wife and I were talking about why some meats are frowned on in some cultures. She said it was because we trust dogs, horses, etc. to carry us/not attack us in the night. That level of trust changes the social contract with the animal and takes it off the plate. I don't know if it's the only explanation, but it made a lot of sense to me.
PS to schaatser: Mmmmm, grasscutter. Did you get fufu too?
Corvus
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As opposed to the wily cow that frequently attacks in the night?
Edog
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I don't know about the draft animal thing, but as far as dogs they simply make people more competitive and survivable. We've evolved together. I mean, wild dogs and horses basically don't exist. Of course they do, but not like other buffalo and pigs. As far as cattle for beef, they were bred for that we dont eat oxen. Horses and dogs not so much. Perhaps this is why eating dogs and horse is more offensive in our culture.
</random open thoughts>
ynh98107
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I ate horse meat tartar in an expensive Uzbek restaurant in St. Petersburg, Russia. No opinion on taste.
onederfullone
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tartar is a sauce, required for anything caught on the east coast.
duh
<remembering why Ballard is so special>
Corvus
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Actually I think he meant tartare which would mean that he ate raw horse. I rather enjoy beef tartare and have actually had genuine Kobe beef tartare at a sushi restaurant in San Fran called "Blowfish". It was awesome. Then again I rather like raw foods like sushi, and venison.
iPlod
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No, I think ynh98107 meant horse meat Tatar.
That's where they grind up the unfortunates cut from cavalry training and puree them into a sauce served over the roasts of their former mounts for the rest of the regiment.
ynh98107
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What Corvus said. Yes, raw sliced horse meat. Was sort of like what is in the following site, but it was sliced thinner.
schaatser
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bio/vb: Glad to be back. Missed you guys too. So many stories to share. Also, jet lag sucks. What time is it?
boatgeek: Yes, I had the fufu. And banku, garifoto, bankye, and many other unidentifiable steaming starchy balls of dough. Nothing beats the kelewele though.
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