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Parking for new townhouses on 28th

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  • Started 3 months ago by Compass Rose
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  1. Compass Rose

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    I posted a while back about the five new townhouses being built on 28th ave. at 58th st., right around the corner from our place. I walked by to have a closer look at them today and was shocked to see the only one of the five has a garage. The rest have no parking, which is going to further increase a worsening parking problem around our place. That means there could potentially be another 8 or 9 vehicles parked on the street around there, and there already isn't that much room.

    I thought developers were required to provide parking per unit. WTF? Or did the city change the rules since our idiot mayor thinks everyone should ride bikes around instead of owning cars?

    Does anyone else find the lack of parking in a new development like this surprising?

    Posted 3 months ago #
  2. Mondoman

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    The rules were changed late last year by the City Council to drop the requirement for parking if the location is within 1/4 mile (I think) of transit.
    Personally, I wouldn't consider buying a condo/townhouse without at least one off-street parking space, so I am surprised. Maybe there are people out there who think they can do fine with just a zipcar.

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  3. Ballard Sucks Now

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    Don't worry CR. There are 10,000 new residents who will be moving in soon enough, just a couple blocks away, at the megaplex on 24th & Market. And there's little parking provided for that, too. Those 10,000 newcomers will all be trying to park their cars on your street, so you honestly won't notice the handful of additional cars from that little condo at all.

    All part of the city's plan to make you as miserable as possible if you dare to own a car. It's the acknowledged policy, so why all the shock?

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  4. Compass Rose

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    God, McSchwinn is a dolt. We are thinking of moving a few blocks west and/north, just far enough away from the bums and the parking hassles.

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    I suggest you pay particular attention to the zoning laws in any area you are looking to move. Zoning is fluid, it can change at the whim of the City Council. (When I bought here 27 years ago my property was zoned duplex. It has changed 3 or 4 times, with the top zoning for a 9-unit apartment. It is now zoned for three units.) Therefore if you think you are buying in a single family home area, that could change a few years down the road. There is a group that keeps lobbying the City Council to build on small lots -- it started with approval of supposedly owners building accessory dwelling units -- such as a small cottage on your property for a mother-in-law situation. The builders will mostly be developers who buy the property and, if its large enough, add these units or if the lot is big enough, redraw the lot line and build one of these 3-story places right next to a single story home totally out of character with the neighborhood. From what I am reading on other blogs, the argument is that the City needs more high density living and no neighborhood is safe from these developers (one guy in particular's last name is Dufus). Richard Conlin stepped in and put an emergency stop on some of the undersized lot development because it occurred in Laurelhurst, but he had no concerns when it came to Wallingford, Greenlake, Fremont, etc. Ballard is such a hot spot for development, I don't know if any area, once basically single family homes, is safe. Right now, I am watching three - 3-story homes going up on the lot behind me. I now have a 40 foot wall 5 feet from my back fence. But, I am on the south side of 65th, in the HUV area of Ballard and when I eventually sell, the same thing will happen on my property.

    I actually don't mind high density living provided there are enough parks to keep some open space available to the public. But with the City's lax attitude toward the homeless and parks, I don't want to put any more money into parks until something is done to address this issue.

    On another note CR -- given the city's embrace of the homeless population, I wouldn't buy anywhere near a church -- given the fact that they can open a homeless shelter, operate a tent city, house a car camping lot at their own choice, with no consideration of the neighborhood. They don't even need permits anymore.

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  6. Compass Rose

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    Norge, like you, I have no problem with density as long as there's sufficient parking. It's ridiculous to build this townhouse complex without parking spots when street parking is already tight.

    Good point about buying near a church.

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  7. VeganBiker

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    CS - I just walked past the Ballard 58 building and unless I am wrong they are putting in a driveway to the parking garage on the East side of the building. Looks like it should hold 6 or more parking spaces. I might be wrong but that is what it looks like to me. I couldn't see anyone there to ask and I can't find any info on-line. I would be surprised if there is only one parking spot in there.

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  8. Ernie

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    There is never going to be "sufficient" parking when density increases. I'd be interested to hear about any urban area in the world where parking is not at a premium. The difference is that unlike Seattle, most have decent transit options.

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    speaking up on how the parks are used, a new playground in westlake park will keep out anyone not with a child. so why can't they do that with the watermark in ballard commons.

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  10. nwcitizen

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    The zoning changes may or may not be an initiative of the Mayor but the City Council has to approve the changes. You might want to direct your comments to them as well.

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    Ernie, it's not only transit needs, its access to grocery stores, etc. even if it's a small corner grocery store. Here in Ballard, outside of the QFC on 24th the grocery stores are on 15th and there are very few corner markets.

    Parking issues are a huge bone of contention in Ballard. But the City Council has removed all needs for parking from development -- it's up to the developer to add parking. It seems to me though that most of the townhouse development do have a garage. From friends that own one of these townhouses, it takes a very small car to navigate the driveway and pull in to the garage, therefore if they own a larger vehicle, they do park on the streets. And with the price of these townhouses, there are usually two cars to every unit, automatically putting one on the street. I consider myself to be lucky and have a driveway that fits 3 cars.

    At this point, we do not have a city council person that represents the interests of the residents of Ballard. I have jointed the group (Seattle Districts Now) that is pushing for district elections of the City Council. There is a meeting Wednesday night that I will go to and pick up a petition for district elections. I think this is the only way we can get some sort representation on the city council that will actually respond to residents concerns. NW Citizen you do not live in Ballard and will need to address your concerns to the Queen Anne council representative.

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  12. Ballard Sucks Now

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    You guys don't seem to get it: if you own a car, the city is actively working to make your life more difficult, more expensive, and more painful. Period. That's the city's policy, and they make no secret of it. If you don't like it - tough, you can go to hell. They know what's good for you.

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    these new townhomes (the '58') are in an ideal location to live w/o a car.

    you can walk to grocery, pharmacy, library, etc. easily, have a nearby pocket park (thyme patch) and golden gardens and discovery park not too far.

    I think they're attractive buildings, too.

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  14. racerX

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    Exactly, GI... exactly.

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  15. pennygirl

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    In agreement with GI.

    Does anyone actually walk to a grocery store anymore? Or do they spend more time trying to find a place to park getting annoyed in the process?

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  16. Cheese

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    While I'm leaning a bit towards the viewpoint that our new condo overlord developers (and their zoning brethren) have big parking issues (the "impossible to park in them so I park on the street" situation is a big peeve), the mindset that civilization stops without a car has even less sympathy with me.

    There has to be balance between a nation of single occupancy drivers or a nation of transit and alternate modes. Due to growing pains of our fair neighborhood if not the environmental considerations, it makes perfect sense to inch away from being overwhelmingly pro-single-occupied-car in our policies while still keeping reasonable options for those who need their cars.

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  17. pennygirl

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    Right on cheese.

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  18. allisonw

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    Even in the ideal world where everything's pretty walkable, every household's gonna have at least one car for getting to the mountains and the sea. Remember, that's a big part of living here for many....though apparently not our current mayor...I mean doesn't he at least ski or hike? Doesn't seem so.

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  19. pennygirl

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    I think the point is the people who insist on having one car per person per household. Then they move to an area where there isn't sufficient parking and create a stink.

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  20. Ernie

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    You might want a car for recreational activities like sking or hiking, but that doesn't mean that society owes you a spot to park it for free on the street. People who are concerned about having a place to park their car should consider renting or buying a place that has off street parking.

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  21. allisonw

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    I will say that the parking situation weighed heavily on where we bought. I think in Adams we'd have had a tough time with the vehicles. As it is, we won't be able to come home between 3 and 4 b/c of LH Elementary.

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    you really won't be able to go home during that time?

    or do you mean, you can't expect to find a spot to park on the street but have an off-street spot and don't worry about it (one of you maybe?)

    I do find it ironic that you're at the mercy of children.

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  23. pennygirl

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    For crying out loud Alli you have a driveway. 1st problem solved. 2nd problem - people picking their kids up do not idle for hours in front of your house. They pick them up and are gone. Simple.

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  24. racerX

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    I think the point is the people who insist on having one car per person per household. Then they move to an area where there isn't sufficient parking and create a stink.

    I think you're on to something there.

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  25. allisonw

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    I am NOT making a stink. I plan to work with the schedule of the school as much as possible.

    Jeez people, lighten UP. (eyeroll)

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    your biggest issue will be people blocking your driveway when you're trying to get out.

    I've seen it often in school zones and will be expecting a post from you regarding this before school's out for summer.

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  27. allisonw

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    I am really not at all concerned about that. And TRUST ME, I have enough wallpaper to take out of that house that I won't be going anywhere besides work anytime soon.

    It is not like they built the school after we bought the house. Good lord.

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  28. VeganBiker

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    Compass Rose - I just spoke to one of the contractors working on Ballard 58 and you are correct! There is only ONE indoor parking space and he said that possibly up to five small vehicles could park on the drive way leading to the garage. Amazing. He told me that they had built a 55 unit just North of Ballard 58 and that building has NO off street parking!.

    allisonw - FWIW, we live about half a block from Adams Elementary and twice a day when school is open parents park on our street for up to half an hour or more. They park and then walk over to the school, so if you live near a school like Adams, you learn that you probably won't be able to come home and park in front of your house during the start and the end of the school day.

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  29. allisonw

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    Yeah, I think it'll be best to just minimize our comings and goings during those times of day. I know school lets out at 3:35, anyone know what time it starts?

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  30. Oly

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    The street on the West side of LH is turned into a one way going North during drop off and pick up times. There seems to be a rather large parent volunteer force so open parking on 80th, 77th, 26th and 25th gets filled up for longer than the p/up and drop off times.

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  31. Cheese

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    VB: Thanks for the investigation. I'm not convinced that such little parking space is going to a wise idea. In the ideal world the occupants would not have cars or be visited by people with cars - but that ain't gonna happen. There is going to be a wild west parking area there! It seems like a very brutal policy for a non-downtown area.

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  32. pennygirl

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    Alli! You made the front page!

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  33. boatgeek

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    Loyal Heights starts at about 9:30.

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  34. teigyr

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    It's crazy, we have some new and existing buildings with little to no off-street parking. What we've learned, and hopefully hillbilly people are less enlightened, is that each unit tends to have more than one car. Unless it's a single person (and even then sometimes they have more than one car), each adult tends to have a vehicle.

    Re the school and traffic/parking, I don't know that particular school but I do know parking can be dicey after school. I am a sub coach and our programs start when school lets out. There are times it takes me ages to find somewhere to park and then it's a bit of a trek to the school. There was one person who lived near an elementary school in Queen Ann (can't remember the name of the school) who was standing out on her porch yelling at the parents :) They tended to use her driveway as a u-turn spot.

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  35. allisonw

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    I did make the front page, but was surprised to hear I'd owned a condo (didn't), moved to QA (I did, but in 1996-97, not recently), am a Ballard native (I'm not, my grandmother was, I grew up in Pierce Co.), and am seemingly buying the house alone (I'm not).

    I also hope that no one thinks I was trying to give advice about any of this stuff.

    EDIT: whoops, looks like they took it down and replaced it with a generic real estate piece.

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  36. InterbayGirl

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    Nope, its still there - http://www.myballard.com/2013/02/19/tips-for-maneuvering-through-ballard%E2%80%99s-hot-real-estate-market/

    Just got bumped down due to the generic real estate post

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  37. Edog

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    Gosh the way the UW News Lab took those comments of Allison's and put them in their "reportage" makes me wonder if I need to mark all my comments with a footer that says "Not for Attribution"

    For example:

    My Dog Pooped Today

    -----NOT FOR ATTRIBUTION-----

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  38. pennygirl

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    You should contact that journo and demand a retraction Alli.

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  39. Edog

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    Either that or tell them you were on background and they should change your name to Deep Throat.

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  40. BuffaloHawk

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    haHa ... There must be a deletion phase going on around here. If you click on Interbaygirl's link it looks like the story was banished to the same place as the creeper thread.

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  41. onederfullone

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    This was an issue on crapitol hill about ten years ago.

    Paul Allen was buying it all up, the shitty council was quick to gut every parking requirement for every developer, and we are next.

    btw, you don't need your facebooking cars anymore.

    Just order everything via big trucks, lots of big trucks. Maybe take a trolly now and then, invest in spandex, and stfu.

    Maybe I'm still against stupid, but I'm expanding it to crooks and liars, especially the shitty council.

    Enjoy your new shitty, idiots.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  42. allisonw

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    I've been in touch with the higher-ups and they pulled the piece--there were too many factual errors.

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  43. pennygirl

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    How the heck did he find you Alli? There should be some kind of online warning not to talk to him if he can misinterpret someone that way.

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  44. onederfullone

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    ...really?

    lmfao.

    oh, probably an inside joke, sorry.

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  45. allisonw

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    The story goes like this: I sent the story idea to tips after getting my (our) asses handed to us on some offers. They liked it and assigned a reporter, who I met at the new house last week during inspection day. It was really hectic and I had lost my voice, but I did the best I could to answer his questions. I was pretty surprised so many errors were made so I sent a note to Kate. Ultimately they decided to nuke the piece.

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  46. Mondoman

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    Well, if you ever get some calm time and write up your own guide to pitfalls in house-hunting, let us know where you post it.

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  47. onederfullone

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    "The story goes like this:"

    Dumped.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XcKBmdfpWs

    fwiw

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  48. racerX

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    That story is whacked, yo.

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  49. Compass Rose

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    VB, that's right. I went and had a closer look today, and there's a driveway that runs behind the townhouses, and at the end of it is one garage only, for the southernmost unit. If I remember correctly, a realtor told me when they started building that the townhouses were being listed at around $430K and up. I can't imagine spending that much without getting a parking spot. Where's the place with the 55 units? Just north of there, you said?

    The number of cars people should have is a matter of debate in a city where it's a PITA to get many places by transit. The reality is that most townhouse occupants will likely have two cars, and parking in the area around the ones on 28th, where I live, is going to get even suckier.

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  50. Compass Rose

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    Double post

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  51. great idea

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    My family has lived with one car for many years.

    it's not that difficult.

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  52. Compass Rose

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    Goodie for you, GI. You might have a schedule that facilitates being a one-car family. We don't, though I only drive my car a few times a week.

    When I lived in NYC I took the subway everywhere. Unfortunately we don't have a convenient system like that here.

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