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SPD involved in a shooting ( NE of QFC on Holman)

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Started 2 months ago by Champ
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SPD were just involved in a shooting near just northeast of the QFC on Holman.

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My husband came inside a few minutes ago and asked if I heard the gun shots and I told him it was probably just firecrackers. We just drove to Home Depot and on our way home passed the QFC and there are easily 15-20 police cars and the street it cordoned off. Anyone know any details?

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Champ

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They are keeping this one pretty close. Sounds like an officer may have gotten hurt as well. Press briefing set for 10:50 tonight.

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pennygirl

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It was very loud for a while. Extremely quiet now.

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teigyr

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pg, everyone accounted for?

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pennygirl

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Yep teigyr. I hate this though.

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BuffaloHawk

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I didn't realize boxed wine included a bubble suit..

Chill ..everything will be alright

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Everything's not alright for the 40 yo dude who is now at Harborview after getting shot when he came at the cops with a knife. Sounds like it stemmed from a domestic dispute.

Via Q13 news.

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pennygirl

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Thank you Ernie. You couldn't just say it could you? You really are a piece of work.

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crownhiller

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Yeah - KOMO reporter tweeting that it may have been the suspect threatening his father. 7 to 9 shots supposedly fired - no fun for sure.

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pennygirl

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You know what Ernie did there? Teigyr asked me if I was ok -I responded yes. Ernie barged in trying to make me look bad again. I am so sick of this.

And no Ernie - this isn't me overreacting. This is me sick and tired of you.

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Champ

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Never a good idea to charge a cop with a weapon raised above your head. At least all officers are safe and uninjured.

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pennygirl

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Oh. He held a piece of 'metal' above his head and now he has multiple gunshot wounds. ok.

^^^That per the SPD.

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Ernie

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Penny I don't know what your issue is with me, cate, GI etc, but you really need to realize that it is not always about you.

I was replying to BH's post, the one directly before mine, where he said "Chill ..everything will be alright"

You really need to get over yourself.

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For those interested, this is from the SPD blog:

Officers were forced to fire their weapons when a man suddenly raised a large piece of metal toward the officers after he ran from them following a domestic violence/hostage call officers were investigating in Northwest Seattle tonight.

At about 7:30 tonight, officers responded to a call of a domestic violence disturbance, possible hostage situation in the 10000 Block of 4th Avenue NW. The 911 call stated that a family member was threatening to hold the father hostage with a knife. Officers arrived at the house and made contact with the adult male suspect as he was walking out the front door. Officers were able to separate the suspect and the father and began giving the suspect verbal commands. The man refused to follow the officers’ commands, and attempted to get back into the house. At that point, one of the officers deployed his Taser, but it was ineffective.

The man then ran down the street, and officers followed. The man stopped abruptly and crouched behind a parked car. One of the pursuing officers slipped and fell near the suspect’s feet. The suspect then raised up from his crouched position holding a large piece of metal. At that point the officers were forced to fire their duty weapons. The suspect was struck several times and collapsed. Officers immediately called for Seattle Fire to respond, and he was taken to Harborview Medical Center.

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Rudy, thanks for posting that, it clarifies that the officers felt their colleague was in danger. The rest of the description suggests there might have been a mental health issue involved, and I wonder if maybe the SPD should invest some time and money in developing effective non-gun tactics for dealing with violent folks who can't be reasoned with for whatever reason.

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lifeisamazing

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Sad

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pennygirl

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Ernie...

Sorry to break it to you but GI is actually amusing. You, on the other hand, are a bit of a sad muppet.

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Edog

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I know Ernie is the kind of jerk face idiot who thinks he is funny, plays a trumpet at full volume by your ear while you are asleep, and is shocked when you a pissed at him.

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well thanks penny!

I think ernie has a point though. unless he edited something above, your response seems to attack him for no good reason.

I just read about this event on the free seattle times website. so very sad-- the way the officer slipped which caused everything to happen quickly.

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Ernie

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I'm just a sad muppet.....playing a sad trombone.

http://youtu.be/tgbNymZ7vqY

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I heard about this on the radio last night. apparently the taser didn't work because of whatever the suspect was wearing. Bummer, because it could have ended right there.

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What edog said.

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shelley

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FWIW here is a fuller account of the situation last night. I remember the earlier Carkeek Park incident in which he attacked a woman jogger. He may be sick and criminally mentally ill, but he doesn't belong out loose among us.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattle911/2013/02/27/court-docs-man-shot-by-police-was-schizophrenic-sex-offender/

The man shot in a confrontation with police Tuesday night was a sex offender who had received care for paranoid schizophrenia and had a history of assault, according to court documents.

About 7:30 p.m. Tuesday, officers responded to a domestic violence disturbance call with a possible hostage near Carkeek Park. A dispatcher was told a man was threatening his father with a knife, police said.

Officers contacted the 21-year-old son, but he refused to follow officer’s commands and tried to go back into the house. Police said they tried to stop him with a Taser, but that didn’t work and a foot pursuit ensued. At one point, the young man stopped and crouched behind a police car.

“One of the pursuing officers slipped and fell near the suspect’s feet,” Seattle Police Detective Mark Jamieson said. “The suspect then raised up from his crouched position holding a large piece of metal. At that point the officers were forced to fire their duty weapons.”

At least two officers fired, but it was not clear Tuesday night exactly how many officers used their service weapons, or how many rounds were fired. The suspect was rushed to Harborview Medical Center with multiple gunshot wounds.

According to the Department of Corrections, the man had been on supervision since May 8 and had a warrant for failing to report to his corrections officer. That supervision came after his conviction for third-degree assault.

In that case, the man grabbed the neck of a random jogger in Carkeek Park, put her in a choke hold and threw her to the ground, according to police. The woman kicked the man in the groin, which stunned him and made him immediately apologize. Determined to have the man caught, the woman yelled that she was calling police.

But the man told her he’d call for her. He did, saying he had just attacked a woman at Carkeek Park, court documents show. In an interview, police said the man claimed he was high and thought that if he’d caught the woman he would have taken her into the woods to have sex, but he was scared when she screamed and fought back.

As part of his sentence, the man was required to register as a sex offender and ordered to stay out of Carkeek Park. Court document shows he had previously been arrested for domestic violence assault in March 2011, but was not convicted in that misdemeanor case.

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Edog

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This is sad!

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onederfullone

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"Chill ..everything will be alright".

lmao, kinda like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im2SoltmZEc

kinda like, you've totally facebooked it up, but you'll fix it.

More absolute crap.

We,(we is a collective, not a subjective)released several violent illegals this week.

But, chill.

Especially Shelly, just chill.

None of these imbeciles give a rats ass.

In fact, any passion you possess will be used against you. It is a shame. But it is true, trust me. Maybe the zombie invasion will feast on your brain first, otherwise, those poor suckers will starve to death. ;-)

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Wow, I remember that attack on that jogger in Carkeek Park. Very sad, indeed for all concerned. This guy obviously needed help. Thankfully he didn't cut/stab his father or hurt any of the officers..sad that it ended this way.

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Ernie

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What edog said.

You don't get sarcasm, do you?

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Silver

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Wow, Shelley. Thanks for posting that info!

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pennygirl

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"What edog said.

You don't get sarcasm, do you?"

Whoosh...

Posted 2 months ago #
allisonw

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PsssssH!

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pennygirl

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Ha!

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Edog

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Sarcasam?

Posted 2 months ago #
shelley

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FWIW the guy died of his injuries. Article I quoted has been updated: http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattle911/2013/02/27/court-docs-man-shot-by-police-was-schizophrenic-sex-offender/

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lakreitz

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Thanks for posting the update Shelley. What a sad ending for this young man and his family. What a dreadful illness schizophrenia is.

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Cate

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This a much kinder telling of this young man's story told from the point of view of the neighbors who lived next door and across the street. What a tragedy for this family.
http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2020449292_shootingpolicexml.html

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lifeisamazing

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This disease is so very sad for those that have it and those that love them. Prayers for the family.

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shelley

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Seems like there is no good answer.

Not sure I fault the SPD like many commenters on the article Cate linked, but the woman interviewed for the article who let her 10 yr old play with the sex offender -- as a woman, that just gives me the creeps. The guy's brothers and dad could have prevented this too, or maybe not.

SPD released the audio files of the 911 calls and radio traffic leading up to the shooting, plus some pictures. http://spdblotter.seattle.gov/2013/02/28/audio-and-photo-from-north-seattle-officer-involved-shooting/

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Well other parts of the tragedy are people who no longer feel/felt safe walking around Carkeek, etc, the police who responded to this last call, etc. This guy probably shouldn't have been living in a situation where he had the amount of freedom that he did.

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I don't feel safe.

I used to, fwiw. Police can only do so much, courts refuse to do anything.

They all get paid anyway.

Maybe I said grab your ankles before...

I really meant it.

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Cate

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shelley, I agree with you, I wouldn't have let my young child pay with this man. His illness took away all typical boundaries that most people have. I just wanted people to see that there were many sides to him, some kinder and gentler. We do not do well by the mentally ill in our state. Last I looked per capita spending for mental illness we ranked 47th and had the fewest number of inpatients beds per capita of any state.

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pennygirl

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My eldest son knew him. Regardless of what the Seattle Times article says, I don't think he was universally well liked in the neighborhood. Before anyone jumps I said that my son knew him, not me.

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onederfullone

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warning flags cost too much, mean too little.

We need to spend more and care less.

Problem solved.

Needless to say, I'm ready for a break. I wish me taking a break would fix everything, fwiw.

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This was about 2 blocks from my sons old daycare. Really miss Ballard...

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Pokerguy

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This was about 2 blocks from my sons old daycare. Really miss Ballard...

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Norge

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This is truly sad but who arms their mentally ill child with weapons, especially after he attacked a woman jogger. The family knew he was off his medications and that after about two months he became violent. This is not the outcome anyone would want but until we as a society revisit involuntary commitment laws it is sure to happen again and again.

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lifeisamazing

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I don't know what they should have done differently in that situation.

If someone had just held a knife to someone's throat, ran away from me as a police officer, hidden and then come out with what looked like a weapon held above his head and was going toward my fellow officer who was on the ground. Would I have hesitated? I really don't think so.

They could have not pursued him but then if he had gotten away and committed a crime against someone else the public would have been up in arms.

They tried to taz him.

I'm curious if anyone else has any ideas on what they should have done.

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In the moment, I don't know what other options they might have had. A truly tragic situation.

But despite his known history of a severe mental illness, repeated hospitalizations and past contacts with the police that had resulted in 72 hour psychiatric holds, when the police were dispatched they were not told that their was a mentally ill individual involved. Of course there are privacy issues involved, but I wonder if the situation might have been approached differently by the officers if the dispatcher had been able to provide some of this information.
Change the involuntary commitment laws,increase the number of in-patient psychiatric beds, provide adequate funding for adult chronic mental health care so patients are seen frequently enough to monitor changes in their condition as they occur....

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No Cate. I have to disagree with you on this. The North Precinct Police were well aware of him. If they weren't told upon dispatch, either there were a few on the scene that knew or they would have been radioed about that fact. This wasn't someone who was unknown to the police. You read about Carkeek Park right? That has nothing to do with mental issues/privacy.

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Well, the SPD in their press conference were the ones to say that the officer on the scene were not aware of the previous calls to his house or his mental illness. Dispatches do not come from the precinct level so even if the North Precinct knew (which I am sure they did) that doesn't mean it got to the officers on the scene. Which is of course my whole point.

The Carkeek Park incident had a lot to do with mental illness, he wasn't able to know what were and were not proper boundaries between people. When the victim quite rightly fought back and yelled at him, he called the police. It took her yelling and fighting back to know he was doing something wrong.

Better involuntary commitment laws, more psych beds.

Edited to add: Well to be fair the exact words said were: "Deputy Police Chief Nick Metz said police were immediately dispatched but he couldn’t say whether they were told Keewatinawin was schizophrenic."

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Ok Cate. You win as usual. Suffice to say that everyone in the neighborhood was aware of him so that leads me to believe that the police were as well.

I believe the 'incident' at Carkeek Park was attempted first-degree rape. Just so we are sure of the terminology here.

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Edog

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Kate what's your experience with the mentally ill? Specifically with schizophrenia?

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Edog - For four years I served on the Crisis Team that responded to all psychiatric/mental health crisis in Snohomish County. I specialized in Child/Adolescent crisis but frequently covered the night and weekend shifts for adults so I have a great deal of experience working with adults in acute psychiatric crisis both schizophrenic, bi-polar, major depressive disorder and other diagnoses. I on occasion took police with me on my calls and I also on occasion accompanied police on their calls. The most frustrating aspect of dealing with individuals in mental health crisis is Washington State's poorly written involuntary commitment laws and the lack of psych beds and crisis diversion facilities in the state. (Although DESC just recently opened a crisis diversion facility here in Seattle.) In my work I had occasion to deal with guns (well a gun), knives and a few exposed penises so yes, I know about the nature of working with the mentally ill. For what it is worth, the mentally ill are far more likely to be victims of violent crimes then perpetrators - most of them are very vulnerable.

And PG, for the sake of accuracy, the Seattle Times said his conviction was for Third degree attempted rape not First.

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"Third degree attempted rape not First."

I love how stuck most folks are on degrees of bad behavior. /sarcasm.

Maybe if we refused to tolerate any degree of bad behavior our little part of this world would improve?

Sure, but it would take a lot better behavior from everyone to pull it off.

I doubt you've got it in you, otherwise you'd actually un-elect crooks.

Still waiting.

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Fair enough Cate. But for the sake of clarity, also from the Seattle Times, he was held without bail on investigation of attempted first-degree rape.

http://o.seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2016497761_carkeek14m.html

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This happens all over, all the time, just yesterday in South San Jose, involved a guy going 100+mph on three wheels and a rim, finally cornered him, raised up from behind his disabled car with a "large piece of metal" (new buzzword??) in his hand and nine shots from police later lay dead in the streets, San Jose's first officer involved killing this year, probably not the last...
They're cutting back of number of police all over the country, firemen too, all for a "balanced budget"... politicians should be held accountable from both parties, my opinion (my asshole?)

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"held without bail on investigation of attempted first-degree rape."

I guess held means released pending when we find our balls.

Or, daddy decided to put up his house, neglect all requirements of bail, including required meds.

It could be an illustration of exactly what is wrong, but, more likely it's an illustration of exactly what we tend to ignore about what is wrong.

At least we get a house. /sarcasm

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Cate, interesting to hear your history. We probably know many folks in common 'in the real world'. I specialize in involuntary commitment law, curious what you think should be different? (serious question, not snark, fwiw.)

Edited to add, this exact scenario is one of the things that keeps me up at night; a terrible outcome for everyone involved, from the brothers who called to the officers who have to come to terms with this.... Devastating for everyone.

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PS, "held on investigation" means held for 72 hrs while they decide what if any charges are appropriate. If nothing is charged in that time, you get released without any bail. In this case, he was held for investigation of first degree, but only actually charged/convicted of third. Lots of people get held for investigation on things that are never charged, or that far exceed what the State can actually prove. All about due process and different burdens of proof...

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