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  1. jubbjubb

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    Ok, I might be a little early, but we all have our favorite seasons. For my wife it's Halloween; just trying to schedule horror movie viewing is like coordinating a run for the President. But, for me it's Thanksgiving. I've been putting some thought into this year's festivities for a month or so now and am looking for a little input.

    Typically I brine my bird, don't really like the deep-fried thing; Brussels sprouts w/ nuts, bacon, vinegar & brown sugar (you say Brussels sprouts are gross--you ain't tried mine); and all the other typical stuff. I'm thinking of stuffing some hard fruit with foie, contemplating a soup.

    Anyone want to throw out some creative new ideas or interesting-successful past dishes?

    Thanks

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    "Creative and new" is an interesting Thanksgiving concept- my siblings and I always try to recreate the dinner we grew up having every Thanksgiving. Except that we've all outgrown the fruit salad with cool whip, thank goodness...

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    Can you post your brine recipe and technique? I would like to try it this year but am overwhelmed with the recipes I have found and would appreciate one that someone has road tested. TIA!

    As for creative and new Thanksgiving menu my mom who always got stuck with doing T-giving dinner used to say "Never vary the Thanksgiving menu. It frightens the adults and upsets the children" Pass the marshmellow/coconut/pineapple salad.

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  4. jubbjubb

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    I vary my brine based on the other flavors anticipated in dinner & the bird size. I typically use 1 cup of kosher or sea salt, 1/2 a cup of sugar (normally brown), 1 bottle of wine, and about 1/2 a gallon of standard strength stock. From there it's a matter of preference and flavor matching. Perhaps some orange juice, definitely herbs & spices (a few bay leaves, allspice berries, juniper can be nice, sage is good but I find tarragon too light, pepper), onion (this could be sauted or raw depending on your preference). So basically I heat up one of the liquids and add all my flavorings, let it simmer for a bit. When I'm ready to go pour everything in a 5-gallon bucket (available cheap from Fred Meyer with a nice lid), pour in a bag of ice, drop in the bird (breast down), toss it on the back deck overnight (monitoring the ice/temp level & adding more ice as needed -- I go thru 2-bags of ice). Just how long to let it sit depends on bird size, but I usually get a good sized bird and give it 16-hours.

    I think that Alton Brown on Food Network (one of the only people on that channel that I can tolerate) does provide a very good example or two. If you want an exact, tried and true process, follow his lead.

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  5. stopthebuzz

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    Alton Brown does it well and so do the folks at Cooks Illustrated (America's Test Kitchen on KCTS).

    We do something similar to jubbjubb only we use a cooler and keep it in the garage. We also take it out of the brine sometime in the middle of the night (yes. we get up in the middle of the night for the turkey.) pat it down inside and out to dry it off and put it on a roasting rack in the roasting pan in the fridge. This works wonders on crisping the skin and for keeping drippings from being too salty.

    We brine because the bird my mother-in-law chooses is just plain massive and her oven just plain unpredictable. It works well in this situation, because overcooking is taken out of the equation (within reason, of course.) There are many critics of brining and I might be one of them if it weren't for our special circumstances.

    Definitely use a probe thermometer for doneness. Don't rely on the plastic pop up ones that come in some turkeys since they're essentially overdone once it pops.

    Other suggestions: We usually stick with a theme. Last year, which we may repeat this year, was big on sage and pancetta. Be careful with this one if you're brining, because the pancetta adds salt as well. I used two recipes from Epicurious.com as guides, but I usually go my own way:

    Pancetta-Sage Turkey with Pancetta-Sage Gravy
    http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/Pancetta-Sage-Turkey-with-Pancetta-Sage-Gravy-240379

    Caramelized-Shallot and Sage Mashed Potatoes
    http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/Caramelized-Shallot-and-Sage-Mashed-Potatoes-236529
    (added half a head of roasted garlic)

    My mom's apple, leek, sausage stuffing with dried cherries. (no you can't have the recipe)

    Cranberry chutney (carried over flavors from other dishes)

    Roasted asparagus

    My husband's made-from-scratch buttermilk biscuits

    Pumpkin pie with walnut streusel topping

    My mother-in-law likes to make pumpkin soup, but soup is a meal in itself for me, so i tend to avoid it.

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  6. stopthebuzz

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    Regarding alternative to brining, i found this article interesting and want to give it a shot sometime.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/12/dining/12curi.html?_r=2&ref=dining&oref=slogin

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  7. For some reason, we always have to have pickled watermelon rind. We're not from the South, and nobody makes it, the kind in the jar. It's gotten harder and harder to find, I found some locally made stuff at a roadside stand this summer and bought four jars. Everyone else but our family thinks it's weird. It probably is.

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    Not necessarily a recipe but a number of years we started a new tradition. We got a blank white table linen cloth and some fabric pens. Then, each year, people write on the table cloth for the things they are thankful for and provide the date. It is interesting to read the cloth year-after-year and see what people wrote in previous years. Some people have issues writing on the cloth but I think it works out pretty well.

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  9. Jules

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    One of the best turkeys I ever made was on an electric rottisserie; the only problem is that
    a. it has to be a pretty small bird and
    b. you have to spend a considerable amount of time making sure it is absolutely centered.

    I just watched an old Julia Child episode on Channel 9 where she demonstrated this with a chicken.

    Whenever possible, I say, don't mess with people's Thanksgiving dinner. You can get creative with Christmas or Easter, but not too many people really want (or expect) a leg of lamb or a ham at Thanksgiving. I give the usual green-bean casserole a twist by using fresh french beans, peal onions, almonds, and making a sauce fromm scratch; none of this Campell's soup, thanks.

    I receall getting a phone call from my sister one Thanksgiving, quite late...and in the tones of outrage one might reserve for an occasion in which the hosts had roasted and eaten the family dog exclaimed "they had BAKED potatoes."

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    Jules that's funny! I had a similar experience with an ex-boyfriend in college. His family didn't even serve potatoes! I made my thanksgiving call home from their house and had to hide in the corner to quietly relay the atrocity! "no potatoes. egg noodles." I still remember my mom relaying my words to the family and the uproar that ensued.

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    If you need oven space and to get your turkey done moist and quickly I used Alton Browns suggestion for starting the turkey at 5oo for 30 minutes, then instead of turning it down I transfer it to an electric roaster for the remaining amount of time. The 500 degrees sears and browns the outside and the roaster finishes it off while keeping it moist. I just butter, salt & pepper under the skin and on top. Always get rave reviews and have space to continue my other dishes in the oven.

    JubbJubb, do you split your brussel sprouts in half or leave them whole? I usually leave them whole but it had been suggested to halve them.

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    One of the more surprisingly good sides was Creamy Mustard Greens with Fried Shallots. We thought it would be a bit too bitter, but it was the big hit of the meal. Creamy, savory, and had that wonderful comfort-food feeling/taste. We made this recipe for five adults + 2 children. We had enough left over to send home w/ our friends.

    Recipe: http://www.foodandwine.com/recipes/creamy-mustard-greens-with-fried-shallots

    We've never brined or deep fried a bird, nor tasted one w/ either of these methods, so cannot compare. We always get a good quality bird (free-range/organic - expensive but worth it) and stuff a flavored compound butter under the breast skin as well as stuff the cavity with some slightly moistened bread stuffing. We've had good luck doing this and not suffered any dry-bird syndrome.

    re: Watermelon Pickles - I grew up eating those that my grandmother would can herself and they came out at all the holiday meals. Quite tasty and unique.

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    Whoa, whoa, whoa!! -- stopthebuzz, what's with egg noodles? Please share.

    NWK - I do slice the sprouts after a par-boiling, then throw them in to roast. But, I did just have a real nice dinner at Craig Commons in Portland (a must if you're in that neck of the woods), where they were shredded and served as a base under my chicken. I may give that a whack.

    Mention of rottisserie makes me wonder if you cook the bird on the BBQ, would the smoke effectively cure the bird, making the issue of brining moot?

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    What about the heritage/heirloom birds? Anyone using those, and if so, who's the supplier?

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  15. Jules

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    BTW, I would like to point out that EVERY YEAR some chucklehead burns down their house by deep-fat frying a turkey in an enclosed space. No, you CANNOT do it in the garage.

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    I picked up a tip years ago for a moist oven-roasted turkey ... stuff it with fresh orange halves. It sort of steams the bird from the inside ... really good! I also like to pour some fresh orange juice and rum over the top and add butter and a few whole cloves ... makes a wonderful liquid for basting.

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    Worst Thanksgiving ever - No turkey, instead we had scallops.

    This was worse than cold cuts and M&M's during the middle of an ice storm (at least we had turkey!), and worse than my first year living alone when I had a turkey sub and key lime pie (still had turkey!).

    I'm just saying that whatever you do, don't try to replace turkey with scallops at Thanksgiving :)

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    and how many people have had their oven poop out right there during Thansgiving week.
    Ours busted down last Thanksgiving Eve. Top heating element burnt out. Unfortunately the stove did not have the removable elements for a run over to that store on Aurora for a quick replacement to fix the thing We had to call our landlord who did all he could to get us a stove on Friday.
    But husband likes to grill, we did what we could to adjust for the uneven cooking environment and were grateful not to be too surprised by this change in schedule. Most things need the cook top anyway.
    And in the end,I was able to make my favorite Thanksgiving re-make - Turkey Pot Pie.
    Which is the only part of Thanksgiving I really care about.

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  19. gordy

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    We always have to have yams but the main course can be beef roast, pork tenderloin or ham. Remember the Yankee Grill's turkey dinners? Delicious, huge servings and you didn't have to deal with clean up afterwards.

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    I'm living in the house where I grew up. My folks are gone. It's just my husband and me. Imagine the stress: for 60 years we had a huge roasted turkey, bread stuffing, gravy, mashed potatoes, cranberry sauce, shrimp/jello salad, yams sauteed with butter, and finished off with plum pudding and sauce.

    Last year the two of us fixed pasta with shrimp. The very walls of this old 1920 house fairly shook with our indiscretions from the traditional meal.

    But - - I still have those 50-year-old candles in the shapes of Pilgrims that have never been lighted. Maybe this year??? Ya think? Light 'em??

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    Ohhhhh Sunrise Sunset, you are a braver woman than I, to light them and watch their heads melt down. Good luck with that.

    Once year my parents got the flu- my sister came over, dropped off a turkey the size of a Buick, made stuffing, threw the bird in the oven...and left. (and left a mess) I spent the entire day trying to play tatchup, buy food, make pies, veggies, salads, etc...for her two guests. The next time that happens, I'm going to Canlis.

    Oh, lo, many a Thanksgiving in Seattle when the power went out, and hardy Seattlites cooked their meals on their barbeques. I still remember being the only person who knew how to whip cream without a mixer. (hello? Like whipped cream did not exist before the advent of electric mixers?)

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    I'm the only one having Tofurkey, aren't I?

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    Oh, if only I were in charge, Blacksheep. I'm going to mom's, as usual. She's nice enough to let me get away with not eating the turkey but there will be no Tofurkey in her kitchen.
    She does do amazing squash, though. Brown sugar sprinkled over, very nice. And the kitchen is hers totally. Mix her a drink and keep her company but don't even think about helping.
    I'm bringing the pie, of course. Normally just go to Marie Calendar's but thinking of getting it at Seattle Pie this year.

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    One year we thought about going to Yankee Diner for Thanksgiving dinner, when the family all went elsewhere. Called to make reservations and told we couldn't get one till like 6:30 or 7 pm. Decided that was too late. Called Fred Meyer and they said that we could get a full dinner there in the deli. Packed up a tablecloth, silverware, some glasses and a votive candle and went down to Golden Gardens. Put the middle seat down in the car and made a table, covered it with the cloth, unboxed the food and set there watching the water while eating. We did get some looks and even got a thumbs up, but this is one dinner that we have never forgotten.

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  25. DDF

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    I just love all these posts! Keep 'em coming!

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  26. SMullen

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    Hey, nobody's mentioned the sweet potatoes with marshmallows!

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    We were vegetarians for years and never heard the end of the deep sighs, pointed comments from everybody else at the table. "Work all day to get the dinner just right and two of us won't even put turkey gravy on the mashed potatoes." Dad saying "Well, if you want to insult your mother you're doing a great job of it."

    My husband and I went through this all during our forties. What a riot.

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    Happy Birthday to me, fair maiden Gilman Girl turns 42 today!

    I look forward to the turkey sandwiches.
    Buy some yummy crusty bread and eat 'em for days, thats what I love about Thanksgiving.

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    Happy Birthday all day and every day of your 42nd year.

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    Cool deal Buzzy -- how could one be more thankful than while eating at the beach (obviously I don't have kids).

    Shame to hear the vegetarians take so much crap -- out of maybe 10 or 12 dishes from my kitchen only 3 contain meat (turkey, gravy & sprouts) -- the other stuff often takes more effort.

    With regard to sweet potatoes, we dumped the marshmallows in favor of a nutty-oaty, crisp crust. My wife just hates the canned yams and marshmallows, but, and don't anyone tell her, I secretly love the ooey-gooey, syrupy ones.

    What about seafood? Not in place of turkey, but as a side. Things from the sea always seem to improve as the weather cools. Scallops are mentioned above, which seem great in a little casserol or salad. Anyone got a traditional dish from the briny deep?

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    Does anyone have any good recommendations on where to get a fresh organic turkey?

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    If you're just looking for organic-free range Ballard Market had some last year. You might be able to score a heritage/heirloom, free-range, organic bird from Thundering Hooves.

    Incidentally, after reading Hugh Fernly-Whitingstall's book Meat (the best argument for vegetarianism I've seen even though the book is about enjoying various forms of meat), I have switched over to free-range birds (chicken, turkey, duck, eggs, whatever) and enjoy it so much more -- I think the reduced stress really makes a quality difference (both in their lives and to my palate).

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    Happy Birthday, Gilman Girl!!!!!
    SunriseSunset, mom never gives me any 'guff' but my grandparents sure used to. In fact mom always does one stuffing dish cooked outside of the bird just for me.
    And the yams are totally without marshmallows. Just sliced and baked with some butter and a little brown sugar.

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    I like those yams with the little marshmallows!

    University Poultry used to carry organic, free-range turkeys, which are spectacular. I don't know if they still do, but they used to carry pheasant, quail, etc. as well.

    We always have smoked salmon as an hors 'd oeuvre. Here's a GREAT scallop hors 'd ouevre. First, soak wooden skeweres in water. Very important. Then, wrap thin bacon around large scallps, skewer, and FREEZE. Then, grill on barbeque/electrc grill. By the time the bacon has cooked the scallop has thawed and cooked to perfection and is not overcooked. Enjoy.(recipe courtesy of Arni Thomsom of the Crab Coalition.)

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    Years ago, my mother would go all out for 2-3 days in the kitchen. She would put out a spread starting with breakfast breads and lasting all through the day. Now my sister and her husband do the Turkey honors, and we all bring some extras (Mom still does Christmas).

    Last year I found an article at cooksillustrated.com about upgrading the classic green bean casserole. Skip the condensed soup, use fresh beans, mushrooms and mix up a roux with broth and heavy cream. Yum! There were NO leftovers, which frankly was a little disappointing. Perhaps this year I'll make more.

    I believe you can get a free trial at cooksillustrated.com just by giving your email address.

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    Whole Foods baby!

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    Oh - and the Silver Palate cookbook has the most awesome sweet potato puree recipe. We make it every T-day.

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    This is a really great thread! I now want to cook a turkey just to have turkey. Come to think of it I will.

    How do you who cook brussels sprouts cook them? I won't eat them steamed, but any other way is a-ok. I usually saute them thinly with bacon or pancetta. I am glad that I have sprouts in my fridge right now. YUM

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    Best All Around Cook Book for Holiday Meals?

    Jeff Smith's "The Frugal Gourmet Cooks American". It contains a very simple cranberry relish (and add a bit of Jack Daniels in the mixing - wooo HAAAA!) We continuously turn to his turkey gravy recipe. I did have to take the paper cover off the book, the photo of Jeff holding a turkey surounded by boy scouts made my hackles rise.

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  41. Jules

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    I'm a fan of the Williams Sonoma Holiday cookbook.

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    Roast brussel sprouts in the oven at about 375 for 20-30 min. Just cut them in half, toss them in olive oil and salt, and throw them on a cookie sheet. Add the pancetta if that's how you like them. Boiling or steaming them is gross. I cut up sweet potatoes and roast them the same way. Yum! Brown and crunchy on the outside, soft on the inside.

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    Add a bit of fresh cracked black pepper before serving the roasted sprouts-adds a bit of zing.

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    Gilman Girl - I know I'm late, but hope you had a happy birthday! I know I only met you briefly, but am having trouble believing that you are 42! But I'm sure you know how old you are.

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    This thread is making me drool a little. (At first I typed "droll," but I like to think I am <i>usually</i> that.)

    Anyway, my family is staunchly green-bean-casserole traditional for the most part, but about 10 years ago we dispensed with pumpkin pie in favor of a pumpkin spice cake with a light orange glaze and--the magic ingredient--chocolate chips. Sounds a bit odd but it's really an amazing combo! My brother-in-law is Mr. Nutrition, but this cake is like his one vice; he cuts himself immense slabs every year.

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    About four years ago we discovered the Pre-cooked whole organic turkeys that PCC sells.
    We expanded into ordering the whole meal packages the last couple years. We add our favorite dishes or tweak the pre-cooked selections to fit our tastes. These Turkeys consistently turn out perfect for us every year and that reduces my stress level just knowing it's going to taste great. Our Thanksgiving guests love the PCC turkey and are eager take home leftovers.

    It maybe *cheating* to go this route but it works well for us. Cuts prep and cooking time in half at least. I actually enjoy my Thanksgiving Day much more since we started this new tradition.

    I checked the PCC website to see if they have the Holiday Meals section up for pre-orders but it is a little early yet. Here is a link to their Meat and Poultry section
    which includes the organic turkeys.

    http://www.pccnaturalmarkets.com/products/meat/

    Though there is not yet a Ballard PCC the closest two are in our *neighbors* Fremont and Greenlake.

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  47. Nora Bell

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    Marie Callendars out by Northgate does entire holiday meals too. I don't know if the turkeys are organic (likely not) but it's a really easy pick-up process. I've ordered mass quantities of pie this way for Thanksgiving before.

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