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  1. Edog

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    Has anyone else seen this? It's "Mayor McGinn's" facebook page. I like the idea but - in classic Myballard fashion - I have a problem with this. In order to subscribe to it, one must check the box "Become a Fan". I know their hands are tied by the options presented by the people at Facebook, but kind of think its obnoxious that I have to self identify myself as a "Fan" in order to get regular updates from a civic official.

    Don't get me wrong, I know at its core this is not some Machiavellian plot, where I have to kiss the ring, but I really have problem registering as a "fan". I mean can we opt in, without buying in? As trivial as this may be, it is no small point. The wording to participate explicitly means support, and I don't need to check some box stating such to get regular public updates that any elected official provides.

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Mayor-Mike-McGinn/224859138615

    Posted 3 years ago #
  2. shallow.end

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    You can just bookmark it and check it periodically or you could follow his blog on your RSS reader: http://mayormcginn.seattle.gov/ The same info is there.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  3. Edog

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    I had not checked all the other places. Is this the same information?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  4. SPG

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    I'd hope that the facebook page is being used as a "Mike McGinn the guy" page and not a "Mike McGinn your elected mayor" page where info about running the city of Seattle isn't available elsewhere. Kind of like a personal blog and not a policy statement.

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  5. Edog

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    After looking around yesterday, it seems the information on the city's Mayor page is the same as the "Mayor McGinn" Facebook page, but I still have issues with any outlet that forces one say I am a friend, or fan, even if there are competing outlets for the same information. Granted thats simply a result of the nomenclature of facebook, that has sort of given these notions new meaning. Still, it bugs me.

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  6. doug11

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    Oh come on Edog just be happy we have a mayor who understands Facebook and Twitter and can use those things to give us a more effective city government and fan on Facebook just means you follow the thing not that you are a real fan just like some of your Facebook friends are probably not real friends either. You are making something out of nothing and you need to get over it.

    SPG you have it wrong too Facebook can be used for much more than personal stuff it is great for civics and do you disagree with how Obama is using Facebook for policy initiatives and activism because I think it is wonderful but it is not content that is available elsewhere that is the point of it actually.

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  7. onederfullone

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    I'd really appreciate our Mayor understanding how to run a city. I could care less about his networking capabilities, as it has absolutely nothing to do with being a successful Mayor. It's a social networking site, period, no more, no less.

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  8. Edog

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    Hey Doug - I said "Don't get me wrong, I know at its core this is not some Machiavellian plot" so I think its pretty clear, I am not "...making something out of nothing".

    As for "need to get over it." maybe, but certainly there is some distinction between facebook, and real interaction, and I think its messed up when I see the word "fan" used instead of "subscribe" when a forum is sponsored by any civic official. As far as FB being a good tool for civic information, I am kind of surprised that they don't offer a category of page just for elected officials.

    Lastly, one of the reasons I came here to vent about it, was to take my temperature in an expository manner and see whether it was worth mentioning something about this on his page or to his office as myself, as opposed to an alias.

    Guess its time for me to get smart about RSS. The growing pains from being a late adapter. Oh the humanity!

    Posted 3 years ago #
  9. doug11

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    onederfullone just about 100% of people in government and politics and journalism think you are wrong.

    Edog are you going to mention it on his page or drop the issue?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  10. onederfullone

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    lol...that's a total shocker doug11, and nothing new, I can assure you.

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  11. Edog

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    Doug - "you going to mention it on his page" don't know yet. Seems like in the broad scheme of things of transitioning and taking office, its a minor issue. Plus my sense is that facebook ties ones hands in that regard.

    As for dropping it, its not some passionate moral bedrock that's going to cause me to dominate every thread and cause me to be a caustic abrasive bomb throwing jerk to the Mayor's staff and everyone here on Myballard. However, it is going to be a bee in my bonnet - thats just me!

    As for the insanity of dealing with small pet issues of people, welcome to the Job because I assure you this is but a small taste of what the people in the mayor's office are going to be dealing with for a long time.

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    Edit at 2:16 1/6/10

    OK, apparently I am way behind the times, and won't bother posting anything related to this in the McGinn suggestion box. McGinn's page was simply the first elected official's fb page I had visited. Still, I think the FB issues v.s. public issues is something that going to be a thorny little nest for someone else, on some other day.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  12. doug11

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    onederfullone - HA!! LOLZ for realz.

    Edog - go ahead, mention it then! Demonstrates the power of the "medium," as Barbs would say. How cool actually that you can provide feedback to the mayor in such an easy and public way!!!

    Posted 3 years ago #
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    I have to agree with Doug11 on this one. Facebook is what Facebook is and the mayor has absolutely no say in how that social networking site is set up. I think it's a big step for our society to have our elected officials putting out information on what they are doing on a forum that teens and young adults frequent. I hope that it will draw in more young people and help them to become more involved in the politics in their city, state and country.

    To assume that the mayor wants you to be his "fan" because of the way Facebook is set up really speaks more to the difference between older and younger generations, I think. I have a page for my daughter's photographs and my friends and family are "fans' of her site, but they aren't really her "fans". That's just the term FB uses. Instead of wondering what the mayor is thinking - it seems more appropriate to wonder what the FB developers are thinking. Maybe it's time they expanded and made sites specifically for elected officials. Or had a category of access the page where you could just be a "lurker".

    I've found Facebook to be a good networking device for some non-profits I volunteer/work for. A couple journalist friends use it as part of their job to get the word out. And one of my friends is a professor in media studies and wrote a research paper on social networking sites so having a FB page is part of her job.

    This issue is more about the drawbacks of social networking sites than it is about what the mayor is doing. I doubt his advisers would let him *not* have a Facebook page. He's probably on myspace, twitter, LinkedIn and all that other stuff too.

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    Just sayin' :p

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  15. Nora Bell

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    Oh, no. Kohi FTW! :-)

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  16. allisonw

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    Remember people, don't feed the trolls!

    Posted 3 years ago #
  17. doug11

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    Allisonw I am the "troll" right? So are you upset that your new best friend Ballardmama "fed" me?

    Hey Ballardmama, Allisonw says we are not allowed to have discussions here anymore. I say it is not her decision! And thank you again for agreeing with me, Ballardmama.

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  18. mickey

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    AllisonW - You're right, and normally I would just go along with that advice. But since the Geeky Swedes refuse to ban the offensive troll (as ANY other blog owner would have done by now), it's incumbant upon the rest of us to point out when that person has crossed the line so egregiously that his bitter sewage has defiled yet another comment thread.

    The Swedes want traffic to the site, no matter what transpires. It's our responsibility to call the troll on his relentless march to the bottom.

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  19. allisonw

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    I have adopted a new rallying cry then.

    Go crap in someone else's garden.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  20. doug11

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    You are a born leader and that is really inspiring.

    What a fine example of the high quality and intelligent and civil discussion AllisonW would like to see on this blog. Encouraging her fellow neighbors to defecate in each other's gardens and oh my you are one sophisticated professional woman and a wonderful role model for children hi mickey.

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  21. mickey

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    Before I toddle off to bed ('cause, you know, all us old ladies go to bed real early-like) here's a little hint for trolls, on posting comments:

    You can't really erase your intitial knee-jerk insults, no matter HOW many times you go back in and edit -- and re-edit -- your comments. Some of us pay closer attention than you might be aware.

    Nighty-nite.

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  22. allisonw

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    Vilify me all you want, nobody cares.

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  23. doug11

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    Mickey, I have had many emails with the Swedes and they say I am not breaking the Forum rules. I do hope you are saving each of my edits as well as all of the vulgar insults against me and my (supposedly inflatable) girlfriend, many of which do get removed, like Allison's have, for BREAKING THE FORUM RULES.

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  24. Nora Bell

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    On the contrary, Allison. I plan to borrow that saying and use it in daily life. :-)
    And, Doug, at least she isn't tossing past threads at people all the time. I find that more offensive,

    Goodnight all. Nora Bell out.

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  25. Edog

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    Ughhh this got so nasty, I can not believe it.

    I was not going to revisit this, but feel the need to salvage and refocus this so the thread can end or continue constructively. Again, for me, this was to some extent expository, so thanks for your constructive participation.

    Web-based Social Networking Technology, while beneficial to politics and governance, is in its early phases, and brings with it a few issues that will probably be resolved by some federal, state, or county ethics board in the future, and probably not before a few courts pontificate on the subject. The single issue that came to my attention was simple enough: a button had writing on it, that conveyed meaning that I felt should not be connected to public participation in a municipal capacity. I suppose thats probably due in part to the fact I grew up in an era where there was less bandwith and more content. It seems that many others are fine with "clicking buttons" and giving abbreviated new meaning to words in order to get better access to content. Certainly I've got "friends" who are not really people I know, and I've come to accept this modified meaning when looking at the world through the contruct of facebook. Still I feel that institutions long standing should not change for causes that are light and transient. As powerfull as a medium as these networks are for bettering the public dialogue, as they currently stand, they are not best calibrated for explicit government, and I would rather not sloppily assume abbreviations and new meanings that are explicitly defined on say the Governor's or Mayor's webpages, which bear their seal, signature, and reside on government servers. In the short term, I think we are lucky that McGinn is reaching out using new applications, and am glad that the information that feeds Facebook, is fed and provided elsewhere. In the long term, I'll be happier when the title of the page resembles all the formality of a government document, does not put the corporate logo of the provider above the states, and uses words that are better fit to the meaning.

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  26. doug11

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    Edog thanks for bringing us back on topic.

    I can see your point because who is Facebook to redefine words like fan but that is what they are doing creating a new definition that is more "follow" than fan but really do you like "follow" any better?

    Or what neutral word DO you like for situations like this because I am starting to see the need for it too. But you lose me on the logo thing it is actually very important to identify the provider or the carrier of any government information not relayed directly by the government I think.

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  27. onederfullone

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    How about 'enter' or 'access' or 'view'.
    I would accept such alteration.

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  28. Edog

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    Ok, so I guess I'm not just some crazy old crank with an axe to grind, This from Publicola....

    http://publicola.net/?p=22364

    "4. Last month, community activists raised concerns about the city’s new open-government policy. Among them: The fear that city officials would bypass public-disclosure laws by posting on social-networking sites like Facebook and Twitter. Items posted on those sites, the activists argued, would be exempt from public-disclosure laws. (They also argued that Facebook and Twitter required too much information from people who want to access them, violating visitors’ privacy—a claim we thought showed a lack of understanding of how social networking works).

    To test the theory that Facebook posts are exempt from public disclosure, we did a disclosure request for all of City Council member Jean Godden’s Facebook posts for the last six months. (Not to pick on Godden, but because she’s one of the council’s more prolific Facebook posters).

    Like most public officials’ Facebook pages, Godden’s is a combination of personal anecdotes (”spending a couple of hours in the garden, ’rounding’ up herbs for the winter”) and political observations (”still struggling with Seattle’s 2010 budget and trying to get a handle on 2011.”)"

    Posted 3 years ago #
  29. onederfullone

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    hmmm, interesting. I'd just gotten word that several city officials have been suspended for personal use of city computers. My thought was it was online christmas shopping or something, but what about facebook? Wouldn't that be considered personal use? And what about the big stink about blog sites, and bloggers who support an elected official, or rather in running a campaign, and don't have the 'value' of those sites declared to the PDC?
    You may have sniffed out something there Edog!
    Any guess on how that records request will go?

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  30. Edog

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    "You may have sniffed out something there Edog!" Not really, this issue is ripening that's all.

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  31. doug11

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    Edog - WOW!! I am surprised but kudos to you for raising this issue on your own and I am really coming around to your point of view on this except I would still like to see politicians on these social sites somehow.

    Publicola is a wonderful site BTW.

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