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    I heard that cancer feeds on sugar. If that's true, wouldn't it make sense for cancer patients to cut out all sugar while they're undergoing treatments? Just a thought.
    Sorry about your sister. If it were me, i'd do everything possible to fight the cancer and if that meant chemo, then i'd go for it 100% full blast and look into alternative medicine as well. I wish you well. Cancer is awful.

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    So glad to hear about your sister, here's hoping she heals quickly and completely.

    Another +1 for acupuncture... my Dad, who is a total atheist and doesn't believe in anything he can't see, touch, smell, started having equilibrium problems when he was in his 40s. To the point of having to walk with a cane or he'd fall over. Western medicine came up with nothing, got to the point of doing a spinal tap just to see what might be there. Friend highly suggested acupuncture, 1st question acupuncturist asked was if my Dad had a head injury 7, 14, 21, 28 years before his symptoms started, turned out he'd had a bad concussion 21 years before. Guy stuck him with needles for 4-6 months, gave him god awful tea to drink, no problems since. Totally rocked his world and how he saw things, so I don't buy that "you have to believe in it for it to work thing" in regards to acupuncture.

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    Many of the acupuncture 'miracle' stories I hear are from people that were naysayers and that bad mouthed the voodoo treatments. Spouting that 'no scientific evidence' and placebo crap. After being prescribed pills that never helped and caused new problems they were ready to try ANYTHING. Then acupuncture and herbs made their lives immeasurably better. If someone has a severe ailment and I mention eastern medicine and they go on a tirade, I just clam up. Let them live in misery with their cynicism. But I love nothing more than when I later see these people doing better and it is because they finally tried it.

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    Ummm... Motorad. If Western Medicine didn't work, then it wouldn't pass scientific muster. Eastern medicine so far does not pass scientific muster (some because we have not tested them and some because we have) and at this point I would put your examples at anecdotal at best, i.e. "So, you observed the one in a million times that worked. Good for you!".

    Modern medicine is currently geared toward helping the average guy and if you happen to me unlike the average guy, then your experience may be bad (it could also be exceptional). Giving one off examples doesn't invalidate the years of research put into the methods touted by Western Medicine.

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    Yawn.

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    That's pretty much what I thought. You have no real information to back up your claims other than one off anecdotal evidence. Western Medicine, on the other hand, has decades of peer reviewed scientific studies...

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    Your opinion will not be changed. Unless and until it is your last chance. A doctor I know told me of acupuncture's great success with asthma in TRIALS! I have more anecdotal evidence than the one instance I told about but it is not relevant in your opinion. Some day you may be at the end of your rope from an ailment. It may be bad enough that you will try anything. When acupuncture gives you positive results just think of the red speedo saying I told you so. But frankly I don't care enough to educate the myopic.

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    That's exciting, motorrad! Acupuncture is successful with asthma in TRIALS! Naturally those trials must have been documented, reviewed and published in a journal, so let me just search for the study you speak of... hmm. Well, I see this:

    http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/293/17/2118
    "Conclusion: Acupuncture was no more effective than sham acupuncture in reducing migraine headaches although both interventions were more effective than a waiting list control."

    Hmm, that's not it at all... seems to suggest that the dominant effect is placebo... let me see...

    http://www.mpc.edu/academics/physicaleducation/MassageTherapyProgram/Documents/Massage%20Effectiveness.pdf
    Conclusion: (paraphrased) Acupuncture is no more effective at treating back pain than massage or pricking with toothpicks.

    Shoot. Oh, wait! This must be it, it's about asthma!
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1021032/pdf/thorax00359-0013.pdf
    Hmm, no, this one shows that there are /no/ statistically significant clinical benefits of acupuncture in asthma treatment.

    Clearly, the benefits of acupuncture must take place in Magic Special Healing Reality, which is not measurable by scientific trials. Darn! Just like dowsing and astrology. How come all the awesomest stuff goes so far out of its way to hide how amazingly effective it is?

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