More than one hundred people showed up at the Magnolia Community Center on Thursday night to hear from the Federal Aviation Administration regarding proposed changes to airplane altitude over Magnolia, parts of Ballard and parts of Queen Anne.
Our sister site, MagnoliaVoice, attended the meeting. You can read their report here.
Big turnout for meeting with FAA over airspace concerns
Only 100 people?
There are like, 1,000,0000,000,000,000,000,000 whiney WHINERS in Magnolia.
Every single you comment you make on every single article (including when you appear as “Bristol” and under other pseudonyms) is negative, nasty and often rude.
If you have such contempt for the issues discussed, the individuals and businesses referenced, and the few commenters who still choose to voice their opinion on these stories, why spend so much time here?
I hate to feed the troll, but for once, (s)he is right.
Big Airplane Make Noise!! Me No Likey!! Me From Magnoooooooooolia! Magnolia Pretty! Me Complain to Big Government Me No Likey the Noise!! Me Blame Obama Me Buy House in Magnolia Me See Big Airplanes Big Airplanes Go Away Go Away Me House in Magnoooooooolia!
I speak for Real Ballard.
The proposed FAA changes don’t just affect Magnolia, but also Ballard and Queen Anne. The proposal is designed to funnel flights (passenger and cargo flights) into a narrow corridor over our collective neighborhoods rather than having them fly over Elliot Bay.
A friend of mine attended the meeting and said that the FAA was less than forthcoming and essentially refused to engage in any real dialogue, saying that it couldn’t do so until the official public meetings scheduled for Auburn, Burien and Everett … even though the greatest adverse effects will be over our collective neighborhoods (no official public meetings will be held anywhere in Seattle).
The proposed FAA changes don’t just affect Magnolia, but also Ballard and Queen Anne. The proposal is designed to funnel flights (passenger and cargo flights) into a narrow corridor over our collective neighborhoods rather than having them fly over Elliot Bay.
A friend of mine attended the meeting and said that the FAA was less than forthcoming and essentially refused to engage in any real dialogue, saying that it couldn’t do so until the official public meetings scheduled for Auburn, Burien and Everett … even though the greatest adverse effects will be over our collective neighborhoods (no official public meetings will be held anywhere in Seattle).
I live in Magnolia, and I really don’t get the vitriol that seems to be targeted at people who live here. Yeah, there are some folks with money that live on Viewmont and Magnolia Ave. Just like there are people with money in Blue Ridge and North Beach. Most of us work pretty hard for a living and are on a strict budget. Drive around the neighborhood, and you’d find a familiar mix of townhomes, modest “war-boxes” and even a few bad neighbors who don’t take care of their property mixed in with newer, nicer construction, just like most neighborhoods in Seattle.
As far as the noise goes, we’ve lived here for 4 years and it’s gotten noticeably worse over that time. I’d commented about it to my husband long before anyone organized any sort of response. Just a few weeks ago, I was jarred awake first by the sound of our windowpanes rattling and then my 1 year old yelling “HEEEEEAR IT! AIRPLAAAANE!” I’m glad she was excited and all, but 5:30 was a little early for all of us. And we’re all pretty heavy sleepers around here.
Someday, when we put our place on the market, I’m dreading the day we have a good showing that’s wrapped up by the familiar rattle and roar of the UPS 5:00 pm flyover and the questions that follow that. We certainly didn’t have that happen during any of our showings when we bought it.
We’re not rich. We just don’t think that the FAA has the right to affect our property values or quality of life without a pretty darn good reason. And we’re not being unreasonable asking for an explanation.
You are exactly the type of person the rest of us find a thousand times more annoying than a little airplane noise.
Sounds like you may have made a bad investment on your house. That is your fault not ours.
I commend the FAA for the excellent work they do, and I feel sorry part of their job requires attending community meetings getting whined at by the “we’re not rich we’re just selfish” crowd entirely unaware of their smug pompous ways.
The gig is up, Magnolia. Nobody feels sorry for you.
…and yet only Magnolia seems to have a problem with it.
Wonder why? Read the very next comment… people who think the world revolves around them tend to gravitate toward Magnolia.
Sorry mamasings but airplanes landing at SEATAC do not rattle window panes in Magnolia. Give us a break… we’re not all stupid ya know.
Do you honestly expect us to believe the noise from planes at 3000 feet is enough to rattle your windowpanes?
A little truth to your argument would go a long ways… the rest of us are capable of seeing and hearing airplanes ourselves, you know.
Yes, and NextGen is not about to get derailed by a handful of Magnolia NIMBYs!! That’s for sure.
I see it as a triple win:
– Maximize fuel economy
– Minimize low altitude emissions
– Piss off self-righteous mamas in Magnolia
And I’m pretty sure the rest of us users can see a troll with multiple IP addresses and identities getting his kicks out of agreeing with himself. But by all means, please make sure you complain loudly when your comments are “censored” by the Swedes because you broke the rules. Maybe you can try to pin it on all us rich Magnolians paying them off.
What?
A lot of Magnolia backlash comes from the fact that there’s hardly a community feeling about the neighborhood. The only time anyone can get together there is to complain about something, anything. You name it, Magnolians will complain about it. Hell! you don’t even participate on the Magnolia blog or forums! You like to come here to feel a part of our warm and fuzzy hood just like many others. Your hood won’t support a farmer’s market, and some even point the fingers at the FARMERS! Successful neighborhood markets are subsidizing yours and then we hear whining that the Magnolia market might go away. oh my! Oh woe is Magnolia.
You’ve gotta love the smug hood that protests low income housing in favor of some herons. Or a hood that laughs when other neighborhoods are slated to pick up even more homeless services. OH, but don’t call Magnolia classist! They’ve got classy posters like this one:
“I guess (those challenging complaining about airplane noise) can’t afford to live in the part of Magnolia they’d like to. How unfortunate for them. Hey, kids, there are cheaper places near the tracks. And you’ll even have the trains to listen to at night? What more could you ask for?”
The vitriol is brought upon yourselves. Sponging on the rest of us when it’s convenient and then standing separate any other time.
I think it sucks that the FAA didn’t give a reason for the drastic changes. Lowering the altitude by a full third is drastic. Either the reasons are ridiculous and would get lots of protest or they are for reasonable reasons which many would still protest but many would accept. They should be telling us why. Certainly not a security matter.
You buy a house under a flight path, you accepted what that means.
On behalf of Ballard, my apologies. Some people in Ballard suffer from insufferable class hatred (envy). Good luck in your fight with the FAA over this.
Presumptuous, much?
You don’t speak for Ballard.
I support the FAA. Screw Magnolia.
Oh mamasings!! I had no idea it was this bad!! Thank you for putting a personal face on the issue. A plane might fly overhead when you’re trying to sell your house? Tell you what. I had donated to the Ballard Food Bank, but I’ll call them tomorrow and see if they will refund my donation. Maybe some canned tuna will be a little tiny consolation for the hardship you’re suffering. Thank you mamasings for bringing such suffering into an uncomfortable light for all of us. I will pray for you, God Almighty, please stop the dread affecting mamasings property value, oh glory Virgin Mary of Bloody Birth in a Manger please tell the UPS Plane to not fly when precious mamasings is selling her house in Magnolia Praise Be To God.
What’s it like, not having any perspective?
I live in Magnolia and I think that is a privilege for which we pay for, dearly, at tax time. We pay more in taxes and should be able to preserve our investment there is nothing wrong with that. The airplanes should fly over lower income areas because those people don’t care as much as we do about the pride of ownership and community and they pay less in taxes anyway so some lower quality of life is to be expected. Those people certainly did not buy houses only to have loud planes flying over them and that is why I am supporting a lawsuit against the FAA. It’s about our rights and our neighborhood and that is all there is to it.
…wow
RC, I think you’re missing the snide, dripping sarcasm. Apparently, the inmates have taken over the asylum.
NextGen is trash. If you saw the IP infrastructure it rides upon, you would not want to fly in this country again.
What holds? When was the last time an aircraft got put on a hold?
Please, go back to FlyerTalk and speak of your 1K milage runs.
This comment made me laugh out loud. You just really don’t get the vitriol, do you? Gee, I wonder why!
“Someday, when we put our place on the market, I’m dreading the day we have a good showing that’s wrapped up by the familiar rattle and roar of the UPS 5:00 pm flyover and the questions that follow that. We certainly didn’t have that happen during any of our showings when we bought it.”
Oh
My
Gawd!
If you don’t live in Ballard why are you posting here? Use the Magnolia site.
While Magnolia does have its fair share of “whiners,” having large UPS planes fly approximately 900 meters above your home is a problem. It is not on par with homelessness, but it is a problem. For those of you who feel that there are “real” issues people should be concerned about, why are you wasting your time commenting on a blog. Hypocrites?
“We just don’t think that the FAA has the right to affect our property values or quality of life without a pretty darn good reason.”
Here’s one pretty darn good reason:
The FAA controls the airspace and you’re just another stuck-up Magnolia housewife?
Ohhhh, when you put it in meters it sounds much more serious!
I’ll trust the FAA on this one, thanks.
Then again, Cindy and BallardMomma appear to live here, but had no problem making the same comments on the Magnolia Voice’s story as well.
Cry me a river.
Id say Ballard has the majority of whiners. The evidence is this blog.
No, I speak for those in Ballard without class envy or hatred. You speak for the haters.
Another bitter renter? Enjoy retiring on nothing but your social security.
They’re not whiners, just renters with dead end jobs who’s only retirement investment will be their social security. Once the economy turns around, and life gets back to normal, we can continue to price them out of Ballard, too.
I apologize if this sounds rude, but you are ignorant. Income is not related to the degree of “caring” about “pride of ownership”. You need to get acquainted with some real human beings.
900 METRES, LOOK HOW EMO EURO I SOUND. Altitude in this country is depicted in feet.
How about we point where the real issue is here: KENMORE AIR
Come join me fellow Vikings, let’s stop whining about those whining Magnolians. Let’s redirect our whining back to our whiney issues. You know, things like, why are Magnolians allowed to go to “our” high school. What happened to the Ballard I grew up in, now it’s all condos, condos, condos. Why all the bums. Too many pubs. Too many expensive hamburger joints. Stupid over priced yuppy clothing stores, the list goes on. So many troubling issues in our own neighborhood and we spend all of our time and energy whining about the whiney Magnolians. Let’s get motivated people!