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Homeless car camp hygiene station unveiled

Posted by Geeky Swedes on September 27th, 2008

As promised, the “Ballard Homes for All Coalition” took the wraps off a prototype of a mobile hygiene station at the Sustainable Ballard Festival. BHAC would like to deploy hygiene stations in homeless car camps of 3-4 vehicles each. There are an estimated 50 “homeless car campers” in the neighborhood.

Here’s the first hygiene station, “Rover 1,” which was built with the help of Sustainable Ballard and UW architecture students.

It’s essentially a traveling shower with a sink and toilet (to be installed).

Here’s an artist’s rendering of a homeless car camp. The fence would pull together and lock at night. The hygiene station would provide light inside.

Some Ballard residents wrote comments in our earlier story saying they’re worried where the camps will be located and the security of the surrounding neighborhood. This chart, posted at the festival, illustrates possible locations in church parking lots throughout Ballard (each location is made up of four dots). But no locations have been decided yet. Even the Our Lady of the Redeemers Church, which was floated as a possible site, said they would hold community meetings before considering allowing a car camp in their parking lot.

As for security, BHAC says car campers “will go through a screening process prior to being allowed to park at a host site.” And an outreach worker will visit each site on a regular basis. We’ll keep you updated on this story and let you know when the first location(s) are selected.

Update: See the map full screen for better detail.

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  • joshua
    The map isn't super legible, can we get the street addresses of the potential sites. Also, how many camps will they set up, is it going to be one of these, or five of these sites?
  • Lisa G
    I'm assuming the "locking fence" wouldn't lock people IN all night, would it? Cuz that wouldn't be kosker...
  • MaryW
    I've been visiting Nickelsville for the past three days, delivering and making donations (they need water, blankets, food, aspirin, hand sanitizer, etc.) and giving general support. It sure would be nice if Rover 1 could visit the camp. It would not only be welcomed by the residents, but with all the press (print and tv) stationed there, Rover 1 could get some great publicity, too.
  • Atlas
    Mary, do they need some copies of 'Atlas Shrugged'?
  • MaryW
    Atlas (heh), I suggest you pay them a visit, shake hands, look around with your own eyes and ask them yourself, face to face. You may be suprised at what you see and who you meet.
  • porkbutt
    ROVER 1 IS THE SIZE OF MY CONDO
  • Timmy
    Will security include weekly UA tests to make sure they are all drug free?
  • aptgal
    It's GREAT they are getting this project moving. I think before long there will be a lot more car camping and homelessness due to our failing economy. This will provide people some dignity. People shouldn't be quick to judge homeless people. Reading Atlas Shrugged is not going to solve the problem. Helping our fellow down on their luck people is. Why is it so hard to focus on the GOOD instead of all the potential for BAD. Why do UA testing just for homeless people? There are plenty of pill popping heroin shooting pot smoking people living in homes. Having a nice shower and toilet shouldn't require a piss test.
  • kim
    aptgal--

    i appreciate you devotion, but you're missing the real problem here. the clientele that is wanting catering to are people that don't have any respect for themselves let alone dignity. that is something they need first, then will they earn it from the public. i don't see that happening w/the current population of homeless that live in ballard. maybe you could open your home to this population and prove me wrong. and yes it's easy to judge the homeless. look how they treat our neighborhood. have your honestly read the above entries from people that have had to "live" next to them? i have no problem judging w/that behavior.
  • kim
    looking at the map now, some of these encampments are way to close to schools. why knows who will be camping there. sex offenders? not too many of them leave forwarding addresses....

    hey SB,

    who is going to decide on allowing these encampments to exist? the churches exclusively? doesn't sound too democratic to me.
  • eM
    I think it's wonderful that someone is trying to come up with a compassionate solution to some of the problems facing homeless people instead of just lumping all homeless people into the "drug addicted, no self respect "pile.
    how many paychecks away from homeless are some of us?
    and how many days without no only a roof over your head, but shower or toilet facilities until you struggle with self respect?
    This puritan notion that those who are down on their luck must somehow deserve it is beyond disheartening.
  • Frantic Freddy
    I'll let them do this on two conditions: criminal back ground checks and the previously mentioned drug testing. If you want to camp in our community you have to accept some basic rules. If you can't accept some simple rules, you are not welcome. That's compassion that actually helps people learn there are rules in life.
  • Timmy
    How many paychecks away from homelessness? Maybe 5 years worth. It's called living within your means, hard work, doing everything in moderation, staying in a stable relationship, never committing a crime, planning and saving, saving, saving. Millions of immigrants can do it, why can't people born and raised in the US figure it out?
  • Timmy
    Why a piss test? Don't you want these folks to be safe? Keeping drug addicts and criminals out of these camps will make it safer for those folks who truly want to get their lives together. Do you want to expose these homeless to potential violence, drug dealers and crime? Shame on you.
  • Evan
    Well, should be interesting. I'm always concerned when homeless camps start to become permanent or self aggrandizing (as in the case of the faked "Nickelsville").

    Shouldn't we be striving to make homelessness a temporary condition? What kind of ownership will these people make to our neighborhood? Maybe there is a way to put them in a position to contribute - instead of just maintaining the population like some kind of liberal garden plant.
  • Evan
    ... by that I mean, I believe this should be a step on the way to something else - not just a slightly more comfortable permanent limbo for these people.

    Nothing against liberals or their plants.
  • aptgal
    Timmy. You can be one harsh and judgemental dude. Every homeless person has a different story about how they got that way, and it's not always about drugs or sex offending or not being in a stable relationship. Furthermore, not everyone CAN be like you. Now go pat yourself on the back about how awesome your life is and how righteous your life is because YOU did everything right, but let's also look ahead to some solutions for our homeless situation. Clean toilet and shower? BRAVO! Bring them ON!
  • kim
    timmy isn't righteous just because he's done the right thing. don't belittle him for doing the right thing. good for you timmy! i'm right there w/you.
  • Nobody in Particular
    We see the homeless population increase each time we have an economic downturn. People from all walks of life face financial devastation.

    On the streets, the difference is those who still wish to be citizens and contribute to society and those who will take any handout and do nothing for themselves except sitting at the odd-ramp with a cardboard sign.

    Durring the Great Depression, state and local governments established "poor farms". The home less were given shelter as long as they were willing to work. This was very dignified in that people controlled their own situation.

    It's still true, give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish....(we've all heard it)
  • Frantic Freddy
    Poor farms? Force these people to work and they'll get lawyered-up faster than you can say 'spare me a dollar?'
  • eM
    Five years worth of paychecks ways from the street...
    well, good for you.
    many hard working people are not in that position, I'd love to see the likes of Timmy live within his means on minimum wage or disability. I have a neighbor who lives in his car - I see pick up his shirts at the drycleaner when I walk by. Imagine - such self respect in a homeless person - he actually cleans his shirts!!
  • Frantic Freddy
    Dry cleaner? What a luxury. I have to use a washing machine and iron.
  • m
    Bring back the W.P.A. !!
  • bannedinDC
    Timmy is the new Suthii
  • kim
    bannedinDC--

    hardly!
  • Te
    FranticFreddy, did you even read the post? The man is living is his CAR. It is hard to fit a washing machine and ironing board in a car. If he didn't get his shirts cleaned you would no doubt call him dirty and lazy. Maybe the 99-cent "luxury" of a clean shirt helps him keep a job. Can't win with some people, can you?
  • Nidwaldner
    Is the intent for these car camps to be permanent or will they be alternated between the participating parking lots after a certain amount of time? What are the safeguards to keep even more homeless from other parts of the city coming to Ballard to partake in this program. Seriously, I think Ballard has it's fair share already.
  • Frantic Freddy
    Te, I don't have a washer in my place either I use the laundromat. I can't waste money on dry cleaners so wash and iron myself down the street. I wish I could spend money on dry cleaning!
  • Clamster
    Apparently that map is horribly inaccurate because at least one of the proposed sites is on a street that does not have a church on it and the location indicator is actually on top of a private residence or two which clearly are not churches and are in no way interested in having homeless people camping on their property. If Sustainable Ballard can't get a simple location map done correctly, how can they possibly navigate the complexities and undertaking of the type of social and community project and problem they purport to be helping or solving?
  • jm
    Why can't the city provide public restrooms for everyone? Not the 500k style. America (sent people to the moon) but can't provide restrooms for some reason.
  • kim
    why don't they park this puppy over in the new site just voted on at ft. lawton? have the homeless camp out in their new front yards while their homes are being built!
  • angrignon
    The drawing outlining the vans is not accurate. They are missing:

    1) A tattered US flag being used to cover up the hole in a back window.

    2) "Stink Lines" showing the stench of waste or the byproducts of meth production within the van.

    3) Piles of garbage to the roof visible through all windows except the driver.

    4) A big oil stain underneath the vehicle that is leaking to the nearest sewer entrance.

    5) Expired tags.
  • Clamster
    And by the way, I walked down Earl St. near 80th last night, close to where one of the supposed sites is on the horribly inaccurate map, and the church (Westside) that they probably meant to indicate, has no parking lot at all!! Why then would this location be on the map of proposed sites when there is definitely no room for "car camping" and not even any room for a hygiene station? Apparently Sustainable Ballard doesn't bother to check it's documents for any modicum of accuracy before releasing them to the public. This is worse then amateurish, it's irresponsible, and I would not be surprised if rest of their "plans" if carried out will follow in the same vein.
  • EC
    I woudl be more open to it if they submitted to UA tests, not use drugs or alcohol while living there, and some assurance that there are no sex offenders. Even with all of that, I am not ope to cramming a homeless camp into what is already a crowded community with people living so close togeter, I am sure there are beter suited, open spaces in other cities that have bus service and the like to accomodate these folks. Yes, we all fall on hard times, but why, dear God cram them into a dnese population??? It serves not good...next thingis you will be provinding them with kitchens and before we know it a ghetto has set up onour street..no thanks.
  • Ballard Girl
    I will not support this. I pay huge taxes and am already living in a dense population. Have you seen the hundreds and hundreds of condos going up in our city?? The oil from the cars, the lapsed tags, the monitoring of illegal use of drugs and alcohol...it is a huge job, it puts our community at risk, our children etc. We cannot even manage to control allof those things with our existing residents. I suggest a rural setting where ther is more room, less chance of conflict with neighbors and a Church representative going to check onthem with a social worker, city rep etc...we can barely manage our own city, the crime and the infractions that happen without adding to the mix of cramming peope, living in cars into our community...A HUGE NO!!!!
  • Ballard Girl
    I have to add one more thing..if the Church community is all for this, why not go a step further and have the congregation take these people into their homes as a show of support. Allow them to sleep in your garages if necessary, use your frig, washer/dryer and phone to get jobs...is'nt that better than living in cars with expensive toliet stations etc. The people that support it can actually walk the walk.
  • Timmy
    Why don't they (SB, the churches etc.) take them into their own homes? Because they are not interested in solving the problem; like Mullah Rich Lang, they are only interested in making a political statement about the evils of private property rights.
  • Tilt
    I hope to shed some light on the map inaccuracies, which I thank you for pointing for out. The Church locations were found via google maps, which sometimes is not correct and in this case clearly was not. We will make the correct changes. Also these locations are not set in stone and were intended as a visual aide for potential sites. We appreciate all the comments thus far and hope to further community engagement and interaction. The car camp sites will help to organize and provide safety for both campers and the community around them. Areas such as Santa Barbara CA. (not known for its low income residents) have already put such programs in place and have proven to be successful, saving tax dollars, putting less strain on public safety officials and providing a means for the less fortunate to feel more human and get back on their feet. Now Ballard has a similar opportunity to become a model for how communities can come together and begin to address and help a growing population that is far to often cast aside and displaced.
  • Timmy
    So Tilt, will you do criminal back ground checks and UAs? Or does the our safety not matter?
  • Tilt
    Further clarification:
    Tilt is a group of students, designers and builders. While we are engaged in the planning process, the actual logistics and operations are being handled by Ballard Homes For All. We were asked by them to provide design/graphics and construction and welcome any feedback on that end. With the project still in its nascent stages all comments will be considered. Safety is a big concern of ours on the built end. We are already switching to low voltage power and are working on the logistics testing the grey water as it leaves the system. Our aim is to have it equally as clean if not cleaner than water that typically goes down the drain.
  • Frantic Freddy
    So this is an experimental crapper? Oh goodie, no doubt they'll be as entertaining as the million dollars ones the homeless partied in downtown.
  • nwcitizen
    I'd like to add my thanks to all those who have posted here, posed questions, and expressed their concerns. I would ask, however, that comments be respectful of others. Ad hominem remarks are not helpful.

    I shall try to address some of the concerns people have expressed below. We welcome a continued dialogue on this topic.

    1) The map - The map was only intended to give a graphic idea of how safe parking sites might be distributed within the community. It was not our intent to identify any particular sites. Initially, there will be only one site which will give us an opportunity to proof the concept and to 'work out the kinks' in the plan.

    2) Location - No location has been identified for the pilot site. We apologize if this caused concern for any Ballard residents. BHFAC is in the process of talking with Ballard churches (there are 52 of them) in an effort to find one willing to host the first safe parking site.

    3) Public involvement - There will be community meetings and discussion before any site is established. We will do our best to address all concerns. In addition we welcome community involvement in making this effort a success.

    4) Applicant screening - Applicants will be screened following a procedure similar to that used by Tent City 3 and 4.

    5) Standards - Houseless people are neither better nor worse than housed people. Residents will be held to the same standards as those of any civilized neighborhood. We plan to follow the Tent City code of conduct which includes: a) the site will be drug and alcohol free and sobriety required; b) no weapons allowed; c) violence will not be tolerated.

    Thanks again for your feedback and constructive criticism.
  • Timmy
    OK, but during the last tent city in Ballard neighbors complained about homeless drinking in the streets and alleys nearby, ditching their bottles and then walking into the 'sober' tent city. So you folks are either lying or not doing what you promised. Take your pick, which is it?
  • Timmy
    By the way, what are 'housed' people? Most people house themselves.
  • Frantic Freddy
    How do you know people are drug/alcohol free and not carrying weapons? Do you ask politely?
  • Atlas
    >>Houseless people are neither better nor worse than housed people.

    Sorry, that is demonstrably false. Totally BS. They have higher rates of drug and alcohol addiction, criminal back grounds and rates as sex offenders. That's says nothing of the high proportion of them who have clearly can't handle the basic rules of life and work.

    Nice try but every time you insult our intelligence, you loose support.
  • Atlas
    By the way, if homeless people are neither better nor worse than 'housed' people (ie. people who take care of themselves) , why do they need a car camp to 'provide safety'?
  • Ballard Girl
    I don;t care what screening process you go through, our community is too dense as it is to accomodate homeless people. Please respect our community and the people you are trying to help by moving them to a area where they can be more successful. You say "Residents will be held to the same standards as those of any civilized neighborhood." What, may I ask is civilized abut living ini a situation you describe, where people are stressed, vulnerable and living with alcohol and drug abuse, not to mention a probably variety of mental illnesses...Why are your targeting Ballard for this?
  • EC
    NW Citizen-
    Please provide all of us her with the dates and times we can voice our concrns as a community. I cannot find where and when these meetings will take place. I do not want car camps in my community,and want to know where I can go to learn more and stop this endeavour unless you can convince me differnetly. As far as Santa Barbar not turning away this endeavour becuase of the mediam income, perhaps you shoudl take another look at the location of that community and see how rural it is...we are a small city inclued in the bigger city of Seattle. We don not have the space, or the abiluty to gouse your project.
    From NW Citizen:
    3) Public involvement - There will be community meetings and discussion before any site is established. We will do our best to address all concerns. In addition we welcome community involvement in making this effort a success.
  • EC
    If any of you bloggers wish to write you representative, please go to the website and see who is supporting this. The information is located is; My best suggestion is to write your representative (Mary Lou Deickerson) and let her know how you feel about this coming to Ballard, and be present at the meetings. We can talk all we want here, but it won;t make a difference unless you write or are present when the decision is made.

    BHFAC Team Members
    From Sustainable Ballard
    BHFAC Coordinators/ general info

    MaryLee (glo) Mahar, glowingowl@speakeasy.net, 206-650-8476
    Jean Darsie, nwcitizen@comcast.net, 206-782-0788
    For Press, please contact:

    Vic Opperman, vic@sustainableballard.org, 206.650.7646
    Architecture Students (UW)

    TILT Workshop, Tilt.worskshop@gmail.com
    Gia Mugford
    Travis Anderson
    Anna Koosmann
    Adrienne Wicks
    Merith Bennet
    Zac Jensen
    Haejung Kim
    36th District Rep

    Rep. Mary Lou Dickerson, Dickerson.MaryLou@leg.wa.gov
    Melissa Bailey (Rep Dickerson's Assistant), Bailey.Melissa@leg.wa.gov
  • Frantic Freddy
    Don't worry EC, after they find 'housing for all' (or wreck our community trying) I hear they're gonna defeat the laws of gravity. If neither one is successful I'm sure they'll simply propose they tax us to help tehm in their goal of bypassing the laws of nature.
  • EC
    Frantic, along with everyone else, please write an email to may Lou DIckerson, as well as the BHFAC members. If we all do nothing then they will win and our community will be ruined...and you are right, we will be subject to the taxes to clean it up or pay for more security....ask Laurelhurst if they are up to it, or perhaps Magnolia, Richmond Beach, or a nice gated commuity where everyone will be safe (yeah right!)...why in the world is Ballard the choice?
  • Ballard Girl
    Yes, I agree, rather than chat about it, do something...there is a solution and a need, just not in such a small community as ours.
    Here are the churches you need to voice an option to, they will be allowing their lots to be used.

    Our Redeemers Luthern Church
    Steve Grumm is the pastor
    2400 NW 85th St
    Seattle, WA 98117
    (206) 783-7900

    Trinity United Methodist Church
    Rich Lang- pastor
    6512 23rd Ave NW
    Seattle, WA 98117

    Ballard Neighborhood Service Center
    Rob Matttson-
    5604 22nd Ave NW
    98107-4027
    (206) 784-2227

    Write, call, voice a concern, and be part of the solution...
  • Frantic Freddy
    Already emailed our rep. BHFUC will probably not care, afterall their name ('homes for all') makes it pretty clear neither reality or compromise are part of their agenda.
  • Ballard Girl
    If you look at the website for Tent Cities:

    http://anitraweb.org/homelessness/faqs/tentciti...

    You can read all the pros and cons. It also says that they are illegal on public land, and have to be on private property, which is why churches is a obvious choice. They also talk abut how they "manage problems" and I quote:

    Tent City members do regular litter cleanups, and discourage any illegal activity in the neighborhood -- not just on the Tent City grounds -- such as aggressive panhandling and public drinking.

    There are no ramification to their illegal activities. and to answer the question about land use:

    Q. Why doesn't Tent City use public land instead of private land in a residential neighborhood?

    A> The City does not give us permission to camp on public land. Private land-owners have.

    It seems that the feeling is that is takes to long to set up adequate housing for these folks and noone can get throght he red tape. According to enforcing the law on tent cities, here is another response:

    Until a city has enough indoor shelter for everyone, judges are reluctant to convict a homeless person for sleeping outside.

    So the bottom line is what are we going to do to make sure there is shelter for homeless without having to risk the use fo Tent cities? If you have a problem with someone in a tent city, theres a numebr to call, but it seems not much is done....

    If you have any problems with or complaints about Tent City or any resident, call SHARE/WHEEL at (206) 448-7889. Write us at PO Box 2548, Seattle WA 98111.
  • Ballard Sting
    OK, calm down folks, BHFAC will not ruin your community. To Frantic Freddy, Timmy, Atlas, Ballard Girl and all of the folks posting negative comments: Please, bring something positive and constructive to this conversation or go away. You clearly have no concept of reality, basic religous teachings or morals if you believe that everyone can "take care of themselves" and we should not offer a helping hand to those in need. All of these homeless folks they are proposing to help already live in Ballard, or have you not noticed? I also encourage you all to get involved and write your city, council and state representatives, but before you do, know that Mary Lou Dickerson is an active participant and strong proponent of this project, along with a number of Seattle City Council members. And please, before you continue your disgusting bashing of homeless people, go and meet them for yourselves and do some research about why people are homeless, and one more thing, ask yourself how you would like to be treated if you where in the same situation (its called the golden rule).
  • Atlas
    We did bring something positive. As has been suggest here, we'll support this only if:

    >The folks really are from Ballard.
    >Have criminal back ground checks.
    >Can prove they are drug free.

    Three simple requests. No answer yet so I suspect they don't care.
  • Atlas: Did anyone ask you these questions when you moved to Ballard?
  • Timmy
    Thanks Sting, comparing home owners who live peacefully, invest in the community, pay taxes and are raising families here with the transients who happily drink, shoot up and piss all around Market Street shows you have no connection with reality.
  • Atlas
    No, but I'm not the one who wants to camp with all his buddies in the middle of someone else's community , with no address, no obligations and no interest in the value, both financially and personally, in my neighbors' homes. Society has rules, if you can't live by them, move on. If you want to risk the value of our neighborhood and our community by bringing in folks with no accountability and no history, then you need to accept our rules.

    Personally, if I was homeless, I'd want the camp to be free of criminals and drug addicts and would be willing to submit to both checks to ensure my safety. The same reason I have no problem getting search at the airport. Then again, I'm an adult who understands personal responsibility.

    When one of you car campers murders another, like happened at Leary and 48th last year, maybe you'll understand.
  • Ballard Girl
    Ballard Sting-
    It is an offending attitude in which you present yourself. First and foremost, I do not deny the homeless need a solution....I did say that a dense populated area was not the answer. I am sure there are very nice former next door neighbor types who are homeless...there are also drug addicts and alcoholics, which are the ones who ruin it for the small majority who are clean and sober. To quote your entry:

    "You clearly have no concept of reality, basic religous teachings or morals if you believe that everyone can “take care of themselves” and we should not offer a helping hand to those in need"

    If you read what was said, it was suggested these folks be moved to an area that is willing and able to assist them, not just dump them in a neighborhood. Basic religious or moral beliefs are exactly what keep me from wanting unsupervised people living in their cars from being a potential threat to my children, my neightbors and my community. You have yet to say how that will be managed. I have a great deal of integrity, moral beleif and several years as a member of a chritian church...how dare you put yourself above all of us, and assume you hav all the qualities and we do not??

    If you are such a believer and so benevolent, please take these folks into your home, put them in yuor living room in sleeping bags, or inthe guest room..why not they are all nice folks? You could make a real difference just by doing that......not sure you will, but if you talk the talk, at least walk it! It's called the Golden Rule, to quote you....
    About my "permission" to move to Ballard...first of all in order to rent an apt I had to pass a credit check, as well as a background check...then when I bought a home in Ballard, I had to be approved for credit, and show I coudl pay for the land and home I was purchasing..and also being part of a neighborhood watch, I had to gain the respoect and responsibility of my neighbors, and they did the same for me...enough criteria for you?

    Mary Lou may be a supporter, but if she hopes to remain in office she has to get by all of us first....perhaps you shoudl calm down and get that guest room ready, in fact tell Mary Lou to do the same..these folks need help and you seem to think it has to be Ballard.
  • EC
    Ballard Sting...unless we all say somethign nice, we have to go away? Did you not read through the blog?

    to quote Ballard girl #36
    if the Church community is all for this, why not go a step further and have the congregation take these people into their homes as a show of support. Allow them to sleep in your garages if necessary, use your frig, washer/dryer and phone to get jobs…is’nt that better than living in cars with expensive toliet stations etc. The people that support it can actually walk the walk.

    Frantic Freddy- #12

    If you want to camp in our community you have to accept some basic rules. If you can’t accept some simple rules, you are not welcome. That’s compassion that actually helps people learn there are rules in life.

    Ballard Girl #48- Please respect our community and the people you are trying to help by moving them to a area where they can be more successful. You say “Residents will be held to the same standards as those of any civilized neighborhood.” What, may I ask is civilized abut living ini a situation you describe, where people are stressed, vulnerable and living with alcohol and drug abuse, not to mention a probably variety of mental illnesses…

    #53-
    Yes, I agree, rather than chat about it, do something…there is a solution and a need, just not in such a small community as ours.


    So just becuase people have concerns and voice them you only saw the negatives and not the positive comments...? I think we all agree the homeless is a situation that needs to be addressed, the question

    Should it be in Ballard
    Should it be in our neighborhood church lots?
    What iother options can be provided?

    Ballard Sting, I think you need to calm down...your idea of being Christian seems to stem from everyone agreeing with you...If you are so passionate..find a solution that is a win for your community and for the homeless....don't be so quick to use the golden rule just for your own benefit.
  • kim
    ballard sting--

    crawl back into your hole that you just came out of! you have got to be kidding. we ARE being nice. you haven't met suthii yet!
  • Ballard Girl, husband, childre
    Ballard Sting- I see your name links directly to the website for your cause...perhaps you coudl read that page as well..it says it will hold community meetings to get agreement...I think with your attitude, you may have ruined that for them...I for one do noit want someone with you arrogant attidue asking for my agreement on somethign that clearly does not have the buy off of the peopel and neighbors where you hope this will happen...

    from website:

    Ballard Home-For-All Coalition
    From Sustainable Ballard




    The Ballard Home-For-All Coalition (BHFAC) is part of the Community Guild of Sustainable Ballard. We are working to provide assistance to the growing number of people that are homeless living in our community. We believe that being a sustainable community means reaching out and caring for each other, homeless and housed alike.

    BHFAC is working toward having a mobile hygiene station which can be used by people that are homeless this winter. We are looking for interested churches to house the hygiene station in their parking lot. If you have interest to help us, please get in touch with us. Thank you!

    We are currently building a prototype of a traveling hygiene station (1 shower, 1 sink) to display at the Sustainable Ballard Festival Sept 27th & 28th. We will have team members on hand to discuss this project and will also have a display describing the design further. Please come join us and learn how you can add your skills to this great and much needed project!!

    By this Winter, our goal is to establish a model of safe car living & parking for people that are homeless in a church parking lot for 4-6 homeless people/ 3 to 4 cars max. The safe car park will be equipped with a portable toilet, waste disposal carts, and the mobile shower facility. Prior to the safe car park being established, we will conduct community meetings to ensure that people in the neighborhood and the church congregation are informed and in agreement with the safe car park idea.
  • EC
    Ballard Sting-
    I notice "your group" says thank you alot in the website, and asks for permission....be careful of how much support you think you have inMary Lou...we as a community have the vote, not her...set this up for success...if your passion is helping the homeless as you claim, then make sure it is in a place where they are welcome, athe community supports and in an area where they can not feel jammed in. Also make sure you have enough staff to monitor their sobriety, and the ceanliness fo their toliets and shpwer facilities...it takes a plan, it takes work and a commitment..it woud be a shame if you tried to set it all up and then had to move over and over...much like Nickelsville is now moving for the 3rd time..all because there was not much thought put into it in the first place. Is that what you want for your population of homeless folks? Use the golden rule, your brain and perhaps some organzational skills, along with some social awareness. Ballard is clearly not the right choice for your project...so start thinking where the right choice might be? In order to be a sustainable community, it DOES mean reaching out and helping others, but it also means doing it the right way, and in the right location....do not start by alienating your community by your holier than thou comments you posted above. There is power in the people not just power in the cause...sp be careful who you offend while trying to get agreement...
  • Ballard Sting
    Fellow My Ballardites, sincere apologies for the arrogant tone of the previous post and thank you for the well thought out feedback. Please continue to add to this discussion and get involved when BHFAC begins holding community meetings as you all bring important points and voices to the table. I wrote the previous post out of frustration with the bashing of homeless people and honestly appreciate all of the valuable points that you have all raised through this discussion. I hope that all of your concerns are addressed before this project can move forward because they are valid and reasonable points and we do need to work together on these complex issues to ensure the safety of everyone in our community. Sorry again for the previous post and I hope that it does not prevent all of us from working together in the future to find a workable solution to homelessness in Ballard.
  • EC
    The concern "Ballard Sting" or BHFAC, is that you saw the reaction, and made the retraction. I appreciate you making an apology, but not sure you are sincere in anything but continuing with car camps in Ballard instead of another lcoation. You spoke your mind, and we heard you, but did you actually hear us? When you take the first step of inviting these folks into your home and sharing your space, shower and home with them...well then we will talk...until then you have lost my faith in your motives or sincerity. Regardless of your tone or attitude, I might add, I still do not support car camps in Ballard in our church parking lots in our very compressed neighborhoods. I supprt the need to address homelessness, but not in Ballard...
  • Timmy
    So Sting, will you consider criminal back ground checks, UA testing and proof that campers are from this community (i.e. proof of an address from Ballard before becoming homeless)?

    That is the only way to guarantee the safety of the CAMPERS and local residents. Otherwise, if you guys wind up with a transient killing another or attacking each other you will be held liable by the community. If you cannot take these steps you obviously do not care about the safety of the campers.
  • Ballard Sting
    EC (and everyone else), I hear you, all of you, loud and clear. Please also know that I am not actively involved in this project at the moment, but given all of the concerns that have been raised, I now plan to get involved to make sure that all of these concerns get addressed. I do have a question though for everyone, seriously: we are already accommodating a homeless population in Ballard, so, other than saying that they should all go somewhere else, what should we do to address homelessness in Ballard? I believe this question prompted the entire mobile hygiene station project and clearly many of you do not believe it is the proper solution, so, please provide your ideas because we all want to help with this situation.
  • Timmy
    Sting, how about starting a company or business and giving them work?
  • Linda
    I'd appreciate learning how to add my name to a list of potential campers. I live in my car with my cat Tabitha Laptop. Been doing this since May, in New Mexico and throughout four other states on our way to Seattle. My church is providing a parking space in a U-Park lot, but it's going to be wrenched away from me soon. I am an active volunteer for SHARE/WHEEL and my church (name withheld so they're not deluged with requests for parking spots). I'd be honored to take part in the Ballard site. I hope someone will contact me.
  • Linda
    P.S. For those who think car campers are not productive members of society: In addition to volunteering about 20 hours a week, I work three-quarters time as a retail merchandiser, and I attend the Art Institute of Seattle part-time in the digital filmmaking program. I'm on several waiting lists for transitional housing, but they all have wait lists. I'm not a candidate for a shelter because of my beloved cat, with whom I'd rather live in a car than be separated from.
  • Linda
    Many of these blogs show how little is known and understood about the homeless community at large. Why not volunteer and be part of the solution, instead of repeating tarnished innuendo about who the homeless are and how they behave. How can you volunteer? Make sandwiches, give out sandwiches, gather blankets and other warm garments, create move-in kits, create hygiene kits, drop the kits off at any church, donate clothes and household items, donate food, buy REAL CHANGE from a street vendor, help a nearby church with their outreach efforts. I could go on and on.....
  • nwcitizen
    Thank you Linda. Great suggestions.
    My own attitudes toward homeless people have changed since getting involved and meeting, talking to, and caring about people who are actually homeless. We have a number of Real Change vendors in Ballard. Many are homeless. Stop and chat and buy a paper. If you are really brave, volunteer at the food bank or one of the local soup kitchens.
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