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Market Street Landing wins design approval

Posted by Geeky Swedes on March 23rd, 2009

First on My Ballard: Rhapsody Partners and architect Arthur Chang won approval from the Design Review Board on Monday night for Market Street Landing, a new condo/retail complex replacing the Denny’s at 15th St. and Market Ave. The board attached several conditions to the approval.

The new design (above) features several changes suggested by the board from January’s proposed design. The two most obvious changes are the corner tower, which was modernized with more glass, less brick and a “subtle glow” at night (see below for a closer angle). And the lighter color palette at the top floors of the buildings, which was designed to diminish the perceived height of the development. The board’s reception was mostly positive, although member Jean Morgan said the new design “looks much bigger.”

The board spent the most time discussing the merits of these two design aspects, quizzing Chang about different options, even at one point debating the difference of several inches in the height of the corner building. “For better or worse, you picked the most prominent place in Ballard,” said board member Bill Singer. “We’re holding you to a high standard.” Board member Mark Brands emphasized the importance of the corner tower’s design as a new focal point of Ballard. “People are going to name this,” he said. “What’s it going to be called?”

In the end, the board voted to approve the design, but it attached a list of conditions. For one, they asked that Chang tweak the tower design to make it look more like “a single element” and “less vertical,” as well as increase the size of the gazebo on the top, which ties into the rooftop garden. They also wanted the height of the corner building to be slightly reduced, differentiate the window trim and add a community board at the bus stop.

Next stop for Rhapsody after they incorporate the required changes: apply for a Master Use Permit. Rhapsody’s Katie Vance told us after the meeting that until they receive the MUP, they’ll be unable to seriously shop Market Street Landing for financing. By the way, only five people from the public attended tonight’s meeting, and the two people who spoke gave mostly positive feedback — a far cry from the controversy over the Denny’s demolition last June.

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  • tom
    I read that most of the condos in town have sold very few units. I heartily recommend that these assholes go on ahead and build so they can fail, starve and die more quickly.

    This town is turning to sht before our eyes.
  • SPG
    Rhapsody is planning on tearing down the existing structures in the near future, so anyone who wants a green space should get on them. Demolition time would be a good opportunity to clear the entire site rather than have two separate events.
  • Wow, what a development. The rooftop garden looks cool, but isn't it not the best time to be planning to build even more condos???
  • chopper_74
    sheesh...you guys are like the rainbow coalition...
  • Captain Sleestak
    10-4 Chopper - leave it to us at Seafoam Green Gyrocopter Operations to patrol this section of the beat.

    Rubby Ducky over and out.
  • chopper_74
    non- ballardite. Here's a lil' something for you to ponder about our 'mini depression'

    'part of a post on a site, as follows'
    Sure they made money on the way up, (while nobody was watching) But how long do you think it took them to make the $$$ TRILLIONS and TRILLIONS $$$ they have stolen in last 7 months!? And they do it right in front of everyone, ON TELEVISION!!! So, there is very much incentive when things are going down, and they will keep making it happen...

    ok...just wanted to share what I'm seeing.
    Thanks a lot Red and Blue, you guys know just how to screw.
  • Non-Ballardite
    ...and street parking, most importantly of all. No one is going to want to walk along 15th if there isn't street parking as a buffer.
  • Non-Ballardite
    One more thing. Fix the damn streets. 15th should have two lanes each way, no center turn lane, and ample bike lanes. There's probably enough space there to turn it into a multi-way boulevard. See Octavia Boulevard in San Francisco or the proposed plans for Bothell-Everett Highway through downtown Bothell (!) as an example. Another option would be to use the extra space for a street car line in the middle. Right now it's the worst form of suburban-style street engineering and it plain does not work.
  • Non-Ballardite
    You know, as badly generic as this proposed building is, the other three corners are so bad right now that I think even the empty lot is an improvement. A gas station, a grocery store parking lot, and a strip mall drug store are worse than nothing from the point of view of pedestrians.

    Thanks to the current mini-Depression this building isn't going up any time soon. Hopefully the developers can take the neighborhood feedback and create something new instead of this designed-by-committee monstrosity. But even as is it will be a massive improvement.

    For years after this is built it will have generic national chain stores and not a few empty storefronts, but over time as initial costs are recouped the relative rents will be low enough to allow businesses with some character to thrive. But even those initial chain stores will be an improvement over Denny's, Shell, Walgreen's, and Safeway.
  • meat
    Zed - I totally agree. What a terrible waste. Density doesn't have to look like shit.

    Bark more - perhaps addressing other issues might ease the homeless population; based on your suggestion we should remove parks because homeless might propagate there. I sure would love a city without parks. Oh, or maybe we can station you there, with a shotgun, some barbed wire and some glossy billboards that have smilies on them.
  • chopper_74
    Bark, there's already a non-stop bum-fest there. Take away the hiding places. If they can hide behind a blade of grass, more power to 'em.
  • Bark more, Wag less
    "Absolutely no down sides to anyone."

    Are you kidding? The bums will love it, somewhere to lounge away the summer dreaming of ways to ruin Ballard some more. Can you imagine, our very own non-stop bum-fest on the corner of 15th and Market. What an ideal way to welcome people to Ballard!

    Put up some nice murals and construction walls and throw a hungry rottweiler inside the space until they start building.
  • Joshua
    We've talked about this plenty of times before. They have to clear the space in the future anyway. It is very little money compared to construction. Buying seed and having the city accept the liability for the space as a patch of grass while they get their financing in order would be cheap, simple, much better for the value neighborhood and would generate good will toward the developers. Absolutely no down sides to anyone.
  • chopper_74
    thanks spg, good points, with info!
  • Ballardlove
    And the unit that is for sale in metropole is an owner selling it not a unit that they couldn't sell originally.
    Either way the point is that this building isn't going to be built for a long time and by that time the other buildings in the area are going to be sold/rented. And if the time comes where this project is ready to start and the market doesn't look good I would imagine the developers would be smart enough to wait on the project. But if they aren't who cares. It is their property that they own and if they want to build a condo building and it doesn't sell that's their own fault. What do you want them to do with the property? Build a park? Yeah right.
  • Ballard Guy
    "Can we merge green space with economic viability?"

    Sure! We can all rub our bellies and om it and it will be!
  • SPG
    Not in any way excusing this, as I would like nothing more than a nice green space there while they sort out the finances, but...
    There are liability issues that are easier to deal with through fencing than being a good neighbor?
    Landscaping costs more than graffiti removal?
    They might feel that they'll generate neighborhood opposition when it comes time to tear out the green space for the condo?
    They've always just left the lot vacant and don't know how to go about it any other way?

    Call up Rhapsody Partners and ask them if they're interested...

    Rhapsody Partners
    3400 Carillon Point
    Kirkland, WA 98033
    Phone: 425-250-1050
    Fax: 425-250-1051
    info@rhapsodypartners.com
  • chopper_74
    It's been done, Masdeleine, but people forgot how, let alone why.
  • Mondo
    I saw a For Sale sign in front of Metropole, so at least one unit there is for sale.
  • Masdeleine
    curious - just today, passing by I said to my fellow passenger - i will wager $5 that the site in question will be empty for 5 years - and then I dreamt that the corner would become a green space, and of course a productive garden, while all the financiers figure out the details - why does such a site have to remain surrounded by chain link while the banks sort out their profit lines? Can we merge green space with economic viability?
  • boardbrown
    That's a perfect comparison SPG. You'll get no arguments from me there.
  • SPG
    boardbrown, Making architecture critiques on these comments are the equivalent of hanging in the back of the schoolbus with the stoners. Even if the driver can hear you over the rabble your opinions will be ignored because of the company around you. I doubt anyone from Rhapsody Partners would take these comments seriously.
  • boardbrown
    To respond to homeless dude's challenge on post # 38, my response is that I've already done just that. The first two times MyBallard posted a story about this building (a while back) I screamed and moaned about this design in great detail, pointed out weaknesses, threw out some new ideas, posted some links, and tried my best to give my neighbors a quick lesson in architectural design. But all I got in response was dead air and a few nasty comments. It's no wonder we're trailing the rest of the world when it comes to good architecture. We deserve this ugly crap.

    So I say screw it. Why waste my time for round three? Let these clueless shmucks build whatever the hell they want, and I'll try my best not to look up as I walk by.
  • Tiktok
    You can't have cheap housing until you have an oversupply of housing, so build, build, build!
  • Kate
    I liked the brick tower better. This glass thing doesn't match the rest of the building at all. It looks like the booster rocket for the Space Needle fell into Ballard and somebody stuck a building around it.
  • Maria
    Leva is not for sale. It was built as apartments. It is 95% vacant.

    Remember that the condos in Queen Anne High School were said to be sold out almost two years ago yet they just had an auction to get rid of the last ones.
  • it's not going to be sold, it is an apartment. it was never going to be condos, it was always planned to be apartments.
    by the way, the building where QFC used to be is apartments, too. and the building that will so in where the bowling alley was (someday) is also apartments.
  • Real Ballard
    Leva is 95% UNsold!!
  • Maria
    Ballardlove Canal Station AND Hijarta are less than half sold, regardless of what the salespeople tell you and NOMA had to drop prices by $135,000 to sell units.
  • Ballardlove
    Jon- What massive condo buildings in Ballard are only 40-50% occupied besides Hjarta? Canal station and Noma are both considerably sold out. In fact Noma only has 1 unit left. And Metropole has been sold out for a long time.

    But you are right that this building won't be built for a while I don't think I'd say its 5-10 years out though. I'd guess more like 3-5 years.

    And to College park...I live in a condo and grow tomatoes, bellpeppers, stawberrys and all sorts of herbs on my deck! Just because people live in a condo doesn't mean they can't garden too.
  • Maria
    Jon is quite right and note also that most of the retail space in the existing buildings sits empty.
  • Edog
    @ 50 thats right, people buy condos because they can raise chickens and cows on the rooftop deck, while they compost in balcony sodboxes.

    Welcome to Seattle!
  • Jon
    "Looks great! Ballard is on the rise!"

    You really don't get it: with the credit-markets as they are, there will be no funding for this or any other design for many years to come. Not to mention, we already have several massive condo buildings that are only 40-50% occupied. Over-supply does not demand more building.

    Our blighted half-deconstructed corner will be there until the next wave, probably at least 5-10yrs. Learn to love it, cause it is here to stay for a while.
  • Roadkill
    Anyone know yet what kind of businesses plan to move in to the street level?
  • College Park
    "I wonder, though, if tenants will be able to grow their own flowers and vegetables there. I hope they will."

    Tell me you are joking.

    No one moves into a condo in the city to grow their own vegetables. What fantasy land are you living in?
  • milo dakkat
    Where does the monorail station go in that building design?
  • Realist
    To Goofy Norwegian: Yuppy?? That's the best you can do?? What is it like still like 1986 in your world??

    Or is it just an easy and cheap way to hide beneath something more derogatory you'd really like to say? And yeah, let's have government mandate and limit ownership; just like the Red China you envision for Market Stree!!!
  • Tiktok
    Looks great! Ballard is on the rise!
  • joni
    compared to the old design, this is a great improvement.

    but we still have a long time before we see any construction, so oh well.
  • Joshua
    homeless dude is actually on the edge of great idea! I like to see what the complainers consider an attractive condo or apartment building. Go find a picture of something you actually like and post the link on this thread. I'd love to know what people consider an "attractive" condo.

    Think of it as a modern-day snob contest: "You actually like that building, your taste is soooo pedestrian!"
  • Sheila
    I like it fine. Can't wait until it's done and shops open up on the ground level.
  • kim
    where are the homeless and their shopping carts and sleeping bags? how could they leave those off he designs?
  • PDX Ballardite
    @ Hattie -- Didn't say anything about revenue generation -- just thinking of the crowds.
  • ChinNuts
    and stay out of my garbage.
  • ChinNuts
    Homely dude,

    You would be wrong.
  • chopper_74
    I think that more credit is due, dude, that car was priceless ;-)
  • homeless dude
    You know, for as much as people here complain about the design, I honestly don't think they could come up with anything better.

    Take your average myballard reader who complains that this is either ugly, generic, etc., and give them a pad of paper and some pencils. I'd like to see what they come up with.

    I'll bet you end up with a design that looks something like the car Homer Simpson designed when he went to work for at his half-brother's car factory. Google it.
  • silence.kit
    It'll fit right in with the other ugly condo buildings on Market.
  • alittlebirdie....
    The roof-top garden is nice or is it going to be fake rubber turf? Maybe they can add a heli-pad and lawn bowling up there. The tower is somewhat better but the truncated design looks weird. Maybe if they had a different shape for the very top (more umbrella-like) but still using glass. Lastly, I think they should build an exact copy of the building that can be airlifted by the BHO and dropped squarely on top of the boarded up crack houses.
  • ChinNuts
    ARE NEW DESIGN IS !!! Called "Shining a Turd" villa
  • Hattie
    Hey PDX Ballardite,

    The merchants in Ballard will be tickled to have the increased business. I'm pretty sure they like making money.
  • gurple
    Hey, wow, that actually looks a lot better.
  • PT
    I think my favorite part is the Two cars on the road!
  • nwcitizen
    I like the rooftop garden idea and the open space in the middle. I wonder, though, if tenants will be able to grow their own flowers and vegetables there. I hope they will.
  • PDX Ballardite
    Yeah...the first photo on this post frightens me. Look at that concentration of units. Now (once the housing market picks up again) imagine all those dwellers trying to get a seat at Hattie's on a Saturday night or hitting the Ballard Market on Sunday afternoon. And yes, the design does remind me of a casino for some reason ...
  • Anthony
    "It’ll make 15th & Market look like it’s in a proper city, not some generic suburb."

    funny because this design screams generic
  • PT
    WOW Goofy Norwegian must have some killer weed! Want a posting. Not sure what it means but man that was fun
  • Zed
    Funny you should mention the Las Vegas strip, since this architecture firm also designs casinos. This project is really, really ugly. There is absolutely no coherent theme to the building, just a bunch of incongruous styles and colors. It's a real shame that they allow developers to cover an entire square block with one building, it really overwhelms the neighborhood.
  • bmvaughn
    I dig it a lot!
  • shabadoo
    I like this design; and, like @21 points out, it's 100 times better than the rest of that intersection. It'll make 15th & Market look like it's in a proper city, not some generic suburb.
  • m
    @ #10 - that's not me folks - 2 posters with same sign-in.....
  • wherehavealltheflowersgone?
    Goofy Norwegian ain't so goofy. And yes, I am one of those dumb people.
  • Bark more, Wag less
    Well, at least this will be the best looking corner on 15th and Market.
  • PDX Ballardite
    And ... with all the extra people moving to that corner I hope they readjust the crosswalk timing. Currently, you get about 12 seconds to cross four lines of traffic. As someone who frequently crossed that street with kids -- or a stroller -- I had to practically run to make it before the light changed.
  • PDX Ballardite
    No hookers, but plenty of open containers ...
  • TTTCOTTH
    Las Vegas Strip?????

    You mean without the hookers?
  • PDX Ballardite
    Market Street is starting to look like the Las Vegas strip.
  • knight
    funny you should mention Starbucks when they are pretty much the worst offenders for the generic corporate look you'll find at all their stores (not to mention Mercer Island, Bellevue, etc.)

    don't you worry david, I'm sure Schultzy will give this building the nod.
  • david t.
    Wish I heard about the meeting more than 12 hours before it was held. Hideous design, it looks like the crap they constructed in the shopping area of Mercer Island. Developers want the cheapest desgin to contruct that will satisfy review boards and neighbors. As Wayne noted, design by committee is the worst.

    I just hope there's a Starbucks!
  • PT
    Relax!

    "until they receive the MUP, they’ll be unable to seriously shop Market Street Landing for financing"

    This means that old ballard gets to keep its nasty abandoned lot complete with Blue Crack house for at least 3 to 5 years. How many banks in this environment are going to lend money to a project that they wont see any return on for years. Maybe 2 years ago this would have been approved. But not likely now. So please relax the eyesore that is the demolished Denny's and the one across the street at Sunset Bowl will continue to be Rat infested crack lots. Not some clean respectable buildings. Score one for Old Ballard! Long live the filth!
  • rook
    just because the units recently built aren't completely full doesn't mean that these aren't great investments.
    there's only so many houses in ballard. people still find it to be a desirable area. there's lots of old people that won't be able to take care of their homes much longer.
    all of this equates to a higher density area with the amenities to go with it. you think trader joe's didn't look at what was going in on market?

    sure it sucks that there's no great system of mass transit to move all these people. that's because it's easier to post on-line than actually go to a design review meeting (as evidenced by the five of us there).
  • Belly
    Great! Another giant condo development on Market Street that will stand half-empty. Why? Why? Are these developers insane?
  • queen
    bike lanes end lots of gridlock.

    the sun will continue to shine on Market Street as this building is 0n the North side.

    I get around fine in ballard. maybe YOU need to get out of your car. YOU are part of the problem afterall.
  • m
    For what its worth I like it
  • m
    wuh?!?
  • Goofy Norwegian
    While anything is better than an empty lot just sitting there, I'm still wondering why there isn't a provision built into these shiny boxes that mandate or limit vehicle ownership. Why not? Seems that this type of actions are popular hese days. Urban density"rises" up again. So when can we expect to see the sun along Market St due to these monstrosities? Ballard will resemble Red China with glitter. Here a yuppy there a yuppy. Keep a packin 'em in McCheese. All this without a subway, momorail, elevated system, tram, or any REAL plans. In fact, just do NOTHING to the wonderfull signals along Market St. We all don't want to move smoothly. We all just love this do nothing attitude. How many more are to come before we bring these ancient intersections into this new millenium? Instead we get more bike lanes/red light cams. really see dumb people. How many children do these feed? How do they ease gridlock? Democrats control everything. But lets not blame them. I blame Bush
  • Since I live in the building pictured immediately behind the planned building, I want to know what it will look like from the back!

    I am also slowly recovering from last weeks flu, so not going to any meetings. Hell, I'm barely going to the grocery store. Bleah.

    Thank you SO MUCH for going to the meetings, and for providing information and pictures!
  • cyclocrossmechanic
    "was there a problem with brick?"

    It would have been faux brick anyway. You wouldn't use real brick in this day and age on a building that tall in an active seismic zone. Then again this is Seattle so they probably would!
  • Wayne
    Great. Design by committee. The absolute worst way possible to design anything.
  • bishop
    was there a problem with brick?
    who will clean all the glass surfaces?

    I like how they keep showing aerial views--at least those flying by can really visualize what it will look like.
    how about a view entering ballard from a distance (either up or down 15th or from market). oh wait, you wouldn't be able to see the roof garden.

    this design is fine--get on with it already.
  • Marci
    "By the way, only five people from the public attended tonight’s meeting, and the two people who spoke gave mostly positive feedback"

    Guess there are only three people who can complain loudly against this.

    I, however, love the new tower. It's definitely better than what's there right now.
  • Audrey
    It's nice they eliminated all the fussy gables, but I liked the original version of the tower much much better.
  • Biff
    Well congrats to them. Next up, the other three parking lots that make up the intersection. Hopefully they'll find financing and employ locals or re-hire the folks they let go. Nice writeup as well myballard.
  • Black Helicopter Operations
    Geeky Sweedes writes in story -

    "they asked that Chang tweak the tower design"

    Good one. You slipped a joke in here. which I caught instantly. Yea, maybe the designers should go over to house behind Sip and Ship for advice. They are the tweaking specialists...
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