Talks continue for homeless shelter at church

Earlier this week, SeattlePI.com reported that Our Redeemer’s Lutheran Church had decided not to host a homeless shelter at Calvary Lutheran Church because SHARE/WHEEL refuses to require sex offender background checks. This was news to us, so we contacted Our Redeemer’s Pastor Steve Grumm for a confirmation. Today he told us that no decision has been made. “We continue to be in process as we carry on conversation with neighbors, SHARE/WHEEL, Our Redeemer’s, etc.,” he wrote us in an email. We’ll keep you updated…


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giz
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giz

http://www.redmond.gov/cityservices/pdfs/L09006

Here is a link to the City of Redmond, which just recently issued a permit for St. Jude's Catholic church to host Tent City 4 beginning April 25 for 110 days. NOTE IT REQUIRES WARRANT/SEX OFFENDER CHECKS on page 4 item #10. Tent City 4 is run by SHARE and they do these check for free through the King County Sheriff's offfice.

If SHARE does them for Tent City 4, then they should do them for all their shelters as their is NO COST TO THEM.

giz
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giz

Everyone here needs to be aware and very clear on this fact: SHARE currently operates two tent cities. Tent City 3 in the Seattle area and Tent City 4 on the Eastside. Tent City 3 does not conduct i.d/warrant/sex offender checks. Tent City 4 DOES DO WARRANT/I.D./SEX OFFENDER CHECKS. The checks are done FOR FREE BY THE KING COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE.SHARE does not want to do the checks because they know they have sex offenders living in their Seattle shelters.Feel free to contact the KCSO and verify that they are doing the checks and then ask yourself if they can do them at one of their shelters/tent cities why do they refuse to do them at all of them?When the City of Shoreline hosted Tent City 3 a few months back, they thought that SHARE was running the checks on that camp, because they knew they were required on the Eastside for Tent City 4. When the Shoreline police found out that Tent City 3 did not do the same checks, they wanted it to be included in the permit that the checks be done . SHARE REFUSED. They said they would not do them.If there is nothing to hide,… Read more »

chopper_74
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chopper_74

This is sad. I can't believe that they are pursuing this, still.
Mr. Grumm, if you aren't going to do the right thing for this community, pack your bags, seriously, do your thing in Somalia.
The city of Redmond is being treated 'way' more equitably than Ballard in this regard, and Mr. Grumm, quit being a 'patsy' for SHARE at Ballard's expense. Please, sir, think about your neighbors, I mean, my neighbors.
btw, you don't want to be caught dead as a transient in Redmond, seriously, not gonna happen…they have the skills, and aren't so ignorant and fuzzy, at all.
My Question. Do the checks become public? When? Long after the court case that would inevitably result?
Answer anyone?
It probably takes ten minutes to check, and ten months for the rest of us to know about it…

chopper_74
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chopper_74

btw, I'm concerned deeply about Mr. Grumm's involvement with Scott Morrow.
Sounds like another unbelievable money grab (local, state, federal?). Donate that property to Ballard, let us use it appropriately. Save your soul, sir.

giz
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giz

SHARE's Tent City 4 previously stayed in Redmond at St. Jude's in 2007. During that 100 day stay, they generated over 24+police/incident reports. There was a sex offender that attempted to check in, but was denied entry because they had run a check on him. Unfortunately, this man was simply allowed to then wander off into the neighborhood, which by the way is across the street from a local elementary school and down the street from a jr. high. This sex offender had committed his crimes in California and had last registered as homeless in Pierce County. He had no ties to the Redmond area and was simply drawn to this residential neighborhood by Tent City 4's presence.There was another report in which a Tent City 4 at the same location was evicted. He then went across the way to a wooded area next to the Jr. High and made his own “camp.” Five days later, he went on a crime spree burglarizing homes in the neighborhood. He was caught by Redmond Police coming out of the wooded area. At the time of his arrest, he was intoxicated and had a KNIFE AND 22 CALIBER AMMUNITION ON HIM. This man… Read more »

Tired of always giving
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Tired of always giving

Where do all these homeless people go during the day? I mean, if you can go to the Ballard Food Bank for groceries, get your lunchtime soup at a nearby church, and then bed down for the night at another neighborhood church, where's the incentive to leave Ballard?

It's one thing to provide food and shelter to someone passing through a homeless stage on their way to supporting themselves. It's another thing altogether to enable a lifestyle that gives nothing back to the community. These are takers, not givers.

chopper_74
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chopper_74

They may not want the transparency. But we shall have it. I will be the first to 'unmask' from my shelter in this forum, and call for some heads on a pike, in public. I'd hope that my neighbors see the urgency in my actions. I tend to be pacifistic;-)
Again, Mr. Grumm, study your heart carefully, don't do this, or suffer the fools.
I have an inside source, still, at the city of Redmond. I'll let you know how their campfire 'kum-by-ya' is going.
'we shall over come' yeah, stole it from a favorite of mine….

Seattlemedic7
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Seattlemedic7

You want to know where they go??? They move the temp. fencing around the old Denny's on 15th and market and sit in the lot and drink deal drugs and fight all day long. I have had to call SPD a few times to roust them out, and have gone down and talked to them myself. They are out there from 6am to who knows when. I have asked SPD to be more visible and their response is… they (the homeless) are like a puddle of water.. when you move it out of the way they come back. they see it as a non-issue.

chopper_74
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chopper_74

And, I don't want the court case issue to be understated. We, as 'taxpayers', have to pay out the nose for all kinds of irresponsible actions of our government. I don't care to be the one who knew this was inevitable and said nothing.
Because, it is inevitable…so, I'm free of guilt for saying something.

chopper_74
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chopper_74

thank you for your service…and eyes, and voice.
We will dry up all these puddles…
Gravity dictates they will travel down hill ;-)

giz
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giz

I have personally spoken with those in charge at Our Redeemer and provided them with the same information I have provided here. I asked them to ask themselves, WHY, IF THERE IS NOTHING TO HIDE, IS SHARE REFUSING TO RUN LEVEL 3 SEX OFFENDER CHECKS?The woman I spoke with on the phone was surprised to learn that the King County Sheriff's office has been running these checks for FREE at SHARE's Tent City 4. I asked her to ask herself WHY ONE OF SHARE'S REPRESENTATIVES STOOD UP IN A PUBLIC FORUM AND KNOWINGLY LIED WHEN HE STATED THEY COULD NOT RUN THE CHECK BECAUSE OF THE COST INVOLVED TO THEM?If Our Redeemer is generously offering to help out SHARE and SHARE is refusing to abide by their request to run sex offender checks, then they need to move on and align themselves with a homeless organization that abides by the rules.SHARE is not such an organization. They want your tax dollars with no accountability and no transparency.If Our Redeemer wants to help the homeless, they should look into an organization like Congregations for the Homeless. This group of 30 men moves every 30 days to various church sites. They are… Read more »

chopper_74
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Giz, I'll add you to my list of 'likey'. Thanks for your info, good Q.'s…bad answers.
Still, more must be done. Has Mr. Grumm secured passage to Somalia?

I'd put Scott Morrow in Federal prison…but I'm old fashioned…

oh, and I would add, Habitat for Humanity, worthwhile as a rule…it's a long term solution, and every dollar that I've ever invested, is in no need of a bail out. Every hour, and day, those investments fuel neighborhoods today.

And I'm not recommending Ballard for this, but Seattle could use a sharp kick in the a** about that…imo.

NWCitizen
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NWCitizen

“Congratulations to the citizens of Ballard for standing up to these thugs!”

Please, please stop with the personal attacks and incendiary language. We all want the best for our community. Ad hominem attacks on individuals will only polarize the situation further.

Tired of always giving
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Tired of always giving

And that's exactly where I figured they go. Denny's, behind Stone Gardens, along the wall in front of Carnegie's, Bergen Park, the library, Golden City, 7-11, etc., etc., etc. and I'm sick and tired of it.

I would be happy if the food bank disappeared and the churches were exactly that, gathering places for their congregations, who could go out and perform charity if they wanted, but people should not be sheltered there.

chopper_74
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chopper_74

shoot, that wasn't my line…this time…but what can I say?
“thugs” is the only thing that can be categorized as….

“Please, please stop with the personal attacks and incendiary language. We all want the best for our community. Ad hominem attacks on individuals will only polarize the situation further. “

Let me say, that is not a personal attack, but a general one. 'Thugs” exist everywhere, and are at work as you type. Yeah, as I type…
Secondly, the words 'citizens' and 'Ballard' do not imply an attack, they simply are a Bastian from the rest of you…(look it up if you care to)…
Thanks for your time, mine is done.

NWCitizen
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NWCitizen

See BNT front page for just posted response by the men of the SHARE shelter.

SHARE's Calvary Lutheran shelter responds to Ballard church dis-invitation
ballardnewstribune(dot)com

Millipeed
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Millipeed

As we said, don't let the door hit you in the ** on the way out of Ballard. Apparently the folks at share have 'fallen on hard times'. Folks like SHARE ;leader Leo Rhodes, homeless for 20 years. Yes, 20 years. That's not falling on hard times, that's a full time job. So let the SHARE hysterics start: Dear Editor, We, the men of Calvary Lutheran, wish to set the straight about our community. The Seattle PI wrote about our shelter losing a future site and said it was because SHARE was stubborn and wouldn't check for sex offenders in shelters. Sorry, but that's not what happened. We were there. Our shelter was invited to the Ballard Calvary Lutheran church based on our existing track record and rules. Some neighbors became hysterical and threatened the church if they let us come. This hysteria was based on fear. The fear was based on ignorance and – as we call it – homelessphobia. So the church asked us to change our screening process and begin checking for sex offenders in our screening. Why? Our shelters have operated for 18 years in Seattle. We have 14 of them now. The two oldest have… Read more »

Millipeed
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Millipeed

Good riddance. We don't have a phobia of the homeless, we have several well run homeless groups in Ballard that treat their neighbors with respect and we support.

What we don't like is SHARE and their lack of transparency (as noted by their total unwillingness to answer questions at the church meeting), their lack of respect for our concerns and general rudeness, as this letter demonstrates.

Good bye and good riddance. Take your entitlement attitude and don't come back.

Tired of always giving
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Tired of always giving

Just exactly how do they “benefit our hosts' neighborhoods.” Are they out picking up garbage during the day? Do they weed the flowerbeds in neighborhood parks? Do they perform a free dog walking service? Are they walking around painting over graffiti? Just wondering…

Millipeed
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Millipeed

“That's a fact.”

Really? Facts can be proven with evidence. Show us the report on this case. Names, dates, locations. No doubt you called the police to report the unregistered sex offender?

Shane Dillon
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Shane Dillon

“Prevention is better than a cure”

Just because something has never happened, it doesn't mean it won't, or you shouldn't protect yourself against it.

I applaud the fact you have had no incidences, but it is like russian roulette, eventually there will be an incident. I don't think it is asking that much for a level 3 sex offender check.

You are right anyone could walk into the church on sunday without a check, but that is only for a few hours a week, not overnight for a period of time.

If the majority of people supported the shelter, and I didn't, I would accept that. But the majority had some reservations, so the minority should respect that.

Eventually people will start creating and moving in to 'gated communities' like in Johannesberg to feel safe, that in my opinion is sad.

And really, if SHARE and the church said they would screen and exclude sex offenders and serious felony records, very very few would still have objected.

jules
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jules

it is NOT the fact that people are homeless. It is the fact that someone somewhere needs to take RESPONSIBILITY for these peoples actions, since many of them can't or choose not to.

It is like my post weeks ago said, if there is nothing to hide than there is no problem with checks of any kind, especially FREE. if there are things to hide, than these “checks” will intimidate folks.

It is what it is.

conform to the checks, get to laze around and get taken care of. Don't conform to the “checks”, move onto another neighborhood that is not as concerned about it.

We do have a say here in Ballard and looks like someone has finally, hopefully, heard us!

Btw, how does someone exist homeless for 20 years and who in their right mind would want to? “right mind” being the operative word here.

chopper_74
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chopper_74

oh, Jules, we are heard!…
Shane, they wouldn't screen any 'newcomers', that is the issue, in addition to those currently 'in the program', the public (and I mean 'us') wouldn't be notified 0f any violations discovered in their screening (Like in Redmond).
Tired, yes, I feel you…
To have no concern for the welfare of this neighborhood called Ballard, is sick.
Yeah, I know, for some unconscionable reason…I speak for Seattle as well…
Still, I call for help from my neighbors, don't let the red carpet return, please…
oh, and Millipeed, thank you. I wouldn't have seen that…and shook my head >(

Bark more, Wag Less
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Bark more, Wag Less

SHARE says:

“So the church asked us to change our screening process and begin checking for sex offenders in our screening. Why?
Our shelters have operated for 18 years in Seattle. We have 14 of them now. The two oldest have daycares and music schools. How many times have we had a problem with a sex offender at a SHARE shelter?
NEVER. NOT ONCE.
That's a fact
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It's also un-American. This nation was founded on principles like due process, privacy, presumption of innocence and equality under the law. Discriminations, invasion of privacy and presumption of guilt are un-American.”

Their agreement with Redmond says:

“10) Tent City 4 shall obtain warrant and sex offender checks from the appropriate agency for all new
prospective encampment residents. Tent City 4 shall report any positive results of sex offenders
or warrant checks to the Redmond Police Department.”

So apparently the folks at SHARE think such checks are ok. But then here they say they are not ok.

Which one is it guys? Can't you keep your stories straight?

giz
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giz

SHARE made public claims in this community and in print that “we” have their “word.” SHARE claims to have a code of conduct which they claim to follow. LIES. During a 90 day stay of Tent City 4 on Mercer Island a Mercer Island neighborhood group discovered numerous indivduals that had committed crimes while living in Tent City 4. Of those individuals 3 of them were found to be there at the Mercer Island Tent City 4 with OUTSTANDING WARRANTS. The list of names was turned over to the Mercer Island Police department, who verified that it was indeed accurate and it resulted in the ARREST of two of the three individuals ( one person was tipped off annd gone before the police arrived) Of the two arrests, one was arrested for ESCAPE FROM COMMUNITY CUSTODY. Both were sent to jail.There are 80+ police/incident reports involving Tent City 4 residents over a years period of time. These have gone unreported by the main stream media and were only uncovered due to the work of concerned neighbors that had Tent City 4 forced upon them, much like what they are attempting to do here.SHARE has much to hide and that is… Read more »