Updated 7:15 a.m.: Police tell us this morning that the search continues for the stabbing suspect from last night. Detective Mark Jamieson says that the stabbing occurred inside the shelter at Trinity United Methodist Church (6512 23rd Ave NW)at 9:15 p.m. He says two residents got into an argument that ended in physical violence. The victim was cut in the throat and Jamieson says that it was more of a slashing than a stabbing. The victim, Jamieson says, was treated at the scene by medics and transported to Harborview Medical Center. At last report the victim was in stable condition.
9:45 p.m.: Police are currently searching for a man who reportedly stabbed someone near the intersection of NW 65th and 23rd Ave NW. Detective Mark Jamieson with the Seattle Police Department tells us that the stabbing occurred around 9:15 tonight. Jamieson doesn’t have details on the stabbing but says that if/when the suspect is caught, he will be arrested for felony assault. He says that officers are canvassing the neighborhood looking for the suspect.
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This fight involved several people and seemed to have taken place in and around Trinity Methodist church.
Your neighbors have also been contributing to this story in the forums!
What is happening to Ballard?! I don't feel safe anymore.
We're in a serious recession, and we're short on police officers. Earlier tonight there was a car/pedestrian hit and run over in Lincoln Sector and the dispatcher had no officers in ANY of the north sectors available to go. That's bad news.
No reason to fear. just stay away from church shelters. I dont care how they spin it or cover it up; that was a shelter problem.
Ugh. That's exactly when I was walking home in that same area. Glad I was a couple blocks over.
This is very scary. But can I recommend we all not panic and poke fingers until we have more info?
Thanks, Silver, for all the forum updates on this one.
why cant we get rid of ALL the homeless shelters, this is the shit they bring into our safe community
“Name,” There needs to be someplace for you to go to when you become homeless.
your parents house, a friends place, an old neighbor. normal people have places they can fall back on, these people have burned all their bridges, society doesn't want them. it would be fine if they stuffed all the homeless downtown where there are already tons of bums, but what is the need to bring all that crime down into residential areas? nobody wants them here.
Ballard has had services for the homeless and poor for decades–what's new in our community is the “new Ballard”–gentrified, condo-infested, entitled–and the ever-widening class chasm. My own Ballard memories go back to the fifties. Until recently, the biggest problems here were a few old passed out fishermen on Ballard Ave., sleeping off a bender, with an occasional fist fight over a woman just to keep things interesting.
“Normal people”?
You don't know much about the real world, do you?
How special it must be to live in that cacoon of denial you've carved out for yourself.
Normal people are responsible enough to atleast hold a bad job to afford a place to stay. many of the people who are in these shelters are not the disabled people who cant work, from what i have seen they are the type of homeless that drank themselves to where they are.
This sounds good but makes absolutely no sense. Let's look at your claims:
The homeless and poor have been in Ballard for decades
Now there are yuppies
There didn't used to be problems
Inference: the yuppies are somehow causing the homeless to stab eachother?
There is a name for this specific logical fallacy that I'm not going to look up.
As for the general nostalgia, the past sure can look like a G-rated movie sometimes. Happy drunk sailors dukin' it out over a dame. Why it's Popeye and Mchale's Navy all in on Swedish suburb! But the 50's and 60's had their ugly side too.
just read that the suspect is a young black male.
okay Old Ballard nostalgites, work this fact into your Decline-of-Nordic-Civilization narrative. Go!
I think name is right on with 'normal people' mickey. No need to go on about how special his/her life must be.
in fact, I think name hit the nail on the head.
“gentrified, condo-infested, entitled”
And knife wielding?
It's too expensive to be a bum in downtown Seattle, so they move to Ballard. Next year could be worse with higher unemployment and an increased migration of people from the rust belt of America.
A couple of bums get into a knife fight and somehow it's a yuppie's fault?
What is a yuppie, btw, I'm no longer an angry 17 year old living in the 80s, so have forgotten.
Well Well Well Trinity. I suppose this is the lords will or a message from on high that we need more government funding or more shelters or maybe tax payer funded anger management courses for those poor down on their luck drug addicts.
Thanks for encouraging and promoting the downward spiral that ballard is now faced with.
i wonder if he told the knife wielding man, before getting stabbed/slashed,
“drop the attitude!”
On that note …..GO STEERLERS! KICK SOME BOOTY!
CLANCY COME HOME>>>LITTLE GUY>>>>>>
sorry i could not help it…
Please, please, no reason to worry; these men were screened by SHARE WHEEL…………..NOT!
is this the share/wheel shelter or a different one? wasn't share at the church at 70th and 23rd? is there a different shelter in my neighborhood that i don't know about?
This is another Share shelter, in Trinity United Methodist church at the corner of 65th and 23rd. The OTHER shelter that's caused so much recent controversy is the Share shelter inside Calvary church, at the corner of 70th and 23rd, just two blocks up the street.
” cant we get rid of ALL the homeless shelters”
Slowly but surely.
The Food Bank will no longer be in a residential neighborhood; SHARE and its child rapists have moved on; the bum-crapper and car camp idea has vanished.
As long as the community keeps up the pressure, and the bum-vocates realize not everyone in Ballard is a sucker, hopefully the message will get out to the bums they are not welcome.
New bumper sticker:
Ballard = Bums Gone Wild
I'd buy one. I'd buy a dozen, in fact.
Silver, what happened with the hit and run?
I never did hear. The suspect had fled the scene so fire could respond without police.
Are you retarded?
So the people who bring in millions of dollars and support local businesses are responsible for all the homeless scum? Last I checked none of my neighbors were slicing each others throats.
What did we do with all of the out of work people during the great depression? Tell them to “just go get a job?”
“What did we do with all of the out of work people during the great depression”
You think this knife wielding bum was an upstanding citizen until the economy turned south in 2008?
I thought that shelter was leaving “when they found a new location”.
I,m not holding by breath on that one!
Does anyone know the current status of their move?
“Name,” and others,
Glad you have volunteered personally to take in your homeless friends and relatives.
The homeless are not a “them,” they are some of “us.” In the depression, the homeless built a huge “Hooverville” south of downtown.
I don't live in Ballard, but I am 70 years old, and can remember when there were plenty of old homeless Scandinavian street people. It really can happen to any of us, and even if it couldn't, it's basic humanity to help the helpless.
And I think that “name” hit the nail into his own head.
Bigotry and ignorance are pretty easy to spot.
Actually yes. Unemployment insurance and government assistance is a relatively new concept. It didn't come around until Roosevelt and the New Deal and by then we were well into the depression.
Seattlites who were unemployed lived in communities called Hoovervilles, named for President Hoover, the largest one was located where the docks are today across from Qwest and Safeco. They were basically shanties made from whatever scraps people could find. There are reports of people eating tree bark.
There were certain organizations that helped people, such as the Unemployed Citizens League, but they weren't all that effective. Basically if you lost your job prior to 1935 tou were SOL.
I'm always shocked by the naive perspective of bleeding hearts in Seattle. My girlfriend worked at a homeless shelter, and I had an inside view of the whole system. It's truly shocking—all the way around—from charities using these people as political pawns that give them their power, and such.
Does anyone really think society is helping these people by giving them the necessities of life so they can spend their disposable income on drugs and alcohol? Really? The safety net is just the opposite…it catches people, rather than vice-versa. I wish it wasn't so, but wishes aren't worth much…
I was alive then, Were you? We fed them.
Oh well, thanks anyway Silver. :-)
Yes exactly. There were people starving in Seattle. It was not a good time and I doubt if many here have ever seen the like. Good people helped others and never asked questions but plenty did not and in fact many made money off the suffering of others. Some would hire men for a day then not pay them and dare them to complain. Local fisherman did that often as did those who ran the mills. Cops would shoot holes in the cans hobos used to cook what little food they could find. Young boys from wealthy families would go downtown and set fire to the shacks of hobos or beat them with sticks and rocks. The police did nothing. It was like there was no law at all.
“Last I checked none of my neighbors were slicing each others throats.”
We're yuppies, we hire lawyers to do that.
” when you become homeless”
Sorry, 99% of the bums you see shuffling around Ballard didn't 'become' homeless. They made themselves homeless through a life of terrible decisions and lack of responsibility.
99 percent made themselves homeless? That's the myth, but it's at variance with the facts. Quite a few are chronically ill, a lot of others are broke because of circumstances largely out of their control, and none of the many homeless children can be blamed for their circumstances.
yes let's eliminate social safety nets so we too can have liber-utopian paradises like they have in Brazil — I think they call them Favelas?
You don't get my whole point ballardemican…safety net is a politically produced metaphor meant to inspire people like you to mentally envisage a caring, compassionate place for people to “get back on their feet”. I've seen it first hand, and I'm challenging that metaphor.
How does it help their lives? I've seen it first hand. If people aren't moving forward, they are moving backward—covering basic expenses and allowing them to spend disposable income on drugs and alcohol is not the solution.
That's a different shelter, Plumbe. The Trinity group isn't involved with SHARE.
So us laid off folks aren't normal, huh? I held onto my 'bad job' for 10 years before getting the ax for no real reason. And I'm not exactly alone in the unemployment line with that tale of woe.
The Trinity shelter is not connected with SHARE (as far as I've heard).
You are, quite frankly, a terrible person and should be ashamed of yourself. Especially in December.
All I'm gonna say is that I wish I was naive enough to “mentally envisage” illusions as pie in the sky as you describe. If I had that much power of self-delusion I'd spend all of it envisaging that I had a realistic shot at doing unspeakably dirty things to Megan Fox.
Offering some support is a lesser evil to society as a whole than offering none. Evidence? All places that offer no social safety net completely suck. Many places that do, however, are great places to live.
That said I'm also too smart to argue with Libertarians about complex realities that they choose to see (or are only able to process) in black and white theory.
I think there was more space for 'Nickelsvilles' back then, for one thing.
'Disposable income?' Yeah, that's the problem with these bums, all their disposable income.
NoraBell, I think the difference that some people try hamhandedly to make is that you or I when we become unemployed aren't out causing trouble on the streets. We look for a job, we do what we can and we keep going. People slashing each other is more likely the drunken bums than the homeless. I've often cited the difference between the homeless and the bums, and we need to keep that distinction in mind here. I'm a fan of getting the homeless the services and help they need to get back on their feet, but I have a real issue with the number of drunken bums that we have too. Is this a contradiction? Hardly. Some people can't quite make that distinction and group everyone who is homeless as a drunken bum which is hardly the case.
I think I.A. was referring to the drunken bums and not so much the larger class of homeless.
I get the distinction, but some here don't. There is an awful lot of blanket homeless bashing going on.
And there are more homeless because of the economic situation. For those that consider all homeless bums (or not normal people) it will only makes it harder those homeless who aren't bums to survive in the neighborhood.
I would support a shelter that allowed alcoholics to drink in their rooms. If they couldn't play by the house rules, out they would go. If it were limited to veterans, would that make it okay with the anti-bum contingent?
Shelters are cheaper than prisons. But then just about anything is cheaper than prisons.
They always seem to be abel to afford $8 for smokes every day….
It might be an undistributed middle, but I'm not going to work it out.
I'll just let the delusional naive bleeding hearts do what they'll always do, and society will have to pick up the pieces of their ignorance…oh well. That's what happens as it is.
no description ?
But you re assuming which is always foolish. I have no concern whatsoever with improving the life of anyone other than if they are hungry right now I feed them or if they are cold I give them a warm place. I don’t care if they lift themselves out of poverty or not. Charity is not only for the deserving and it should have no strings attached or pay back requirement.
If you like the idea of no safety nets you might like the dark ages…..or maybe Somalia today. Yah that’s the ticket.
Who said eliminate them? i think they are fine now, not too big, not too small.
I think you're full of it. In fact, I think your whole story is malarkey.
As for shelters and safety nets, I happen to volunteer each week at a transitional shelter for women and children who are working very hard to get out of homelessness. And oh, maybe I should mention that the reason 90% of them are there in the first place is because they were escaping domestic violence situations. Bet you didn't know about that little reality of homelessness, eh?
Many of the residents have deep psychological issues, some have addiction issues. ALL of them have self-esteem issues. The program is run by an organization that provides a multitude of services — the kinds of services you would characterize as “not the solution,” except that you'd be wrong on that account. These families are given support and services that enable them to find permanent housing within one year. The kids get regular tutoring and do well in school. It is a program with proven, verifiable results.
But you wouldn't want to hear about that, because you are the expert on homeless shelters and service,s and you know “first hand” that safety nets are nothing more than a scam, otherwise known as the “politically produced metaphor” for bleeding hearts.
How I pity you.
Got any facts to support that claim?