Councilmember Phillips wants HOV lanes on 15th

King County Councilmember Larry Phillips is asking Mayor Mike McGinn to convert the current bus-only lanes on 15th Ave West to HOV lanes. Our sister site, MagnoliaVoice, reports that Phillips wrote a letter to McGinn asking him to support the Magnolia Community Club (MCC) efforts to switch the lanes. He cites underutilization of the lanes by buses and heavy traffic in the area and says there are carpools full of students who attend Ballard High School who could use the lanes. You can read the entire article here.

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Barney Stinson
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Barney Stinson

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO.

BUS ONLY lanes should remain that way.

You people who are lucky enough to be able to commute in your cars need to just suck it up. You might be sitting in traffice, but at least its in your car, and not on a smelly bus infested with the unwashed and obnoxious.

Bus commuters should be rewarded with a faster commute.

FremontSheila
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FremontSheila

I drive my car to work and I'm against this idea.

Bark more, Wag Less
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Bark more, Wag Less

Great, so you too can be stuck behind a spandex nim nut going down that lane blocking traffic.

Whyhead
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Whyhead

Why open a bus lane to cars, especially for only a couple years?

NoraBell
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NoraBell

No shyte. How can they even think this will solve any traffic problems? HOV lanes are not the end all be all solution. Many drivers just use them as passing lanes, anyway.

Edog
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Edog

Once they get rapidride up and running on 15th, they'll need the dedicated lane again.

ballardpilot
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ballardpilot

Just wait until they start charging you for the privilege of using this lane.
Mark my words, that's coming.

onederfullone
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onederfullone

Larry Phillips is an idiot, just one of the many on the Council.
The Magnolia Community club should wake up as well. Those lanes need to remain as is, period.
In addition, I find the argument of 'underutilization' laughable, and the complaint of 'carpools of Ballard High students' even more rediculous. When do classes start? Is this to keep the tardy from being MORE tardy? lol
Focus on the real issues and challenges facing this city, Mr. Idiot.
Have you voted on Children's Hospital yet??? Big blow-hard idiot…

Corbeau
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Corbeau

As opposed to being stuck behind a car?

onederfullone
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onederfullone

Oh, and cut your staff in half, which remains at the same levels as before the council redistricting and reduction. Unbeleivable missuse of our money, idiot.

tiktok
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tiktok

I think they already charge us for using the roads via some sort of “tax” system.

ballardissmallilikeanonymity
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ballardissmallilikeanonymity

Especially hair-brained since the lanes ONLY EXIST IN THE RUSH-HOUR DIRECTION (toward downtown in the morning, toward Ballard in the evening).

It's just one of many ways reverse-commuters on Metro get screwed (see also: Inbound frequency drops at 5:30, making the 6:00 bus the most crowded, frequently-stopping, and slowest of the entire day; Lights on Elliott are synced for outbound drivers at the expense of inbound buses that turn at Mercer.)

Are these mythical Ballard High carpoolers taking classes overnight?

BTown
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BTown

I don't think that HOV, bus lane, + bicycles traffic is a good idea. Bus traffic will block the HOV. HOV is typically becomes the Fast lane which is a bad mix with Bicycles.

I think we need to wait until the Rapid Bus system is in full swing before we make any mistakes like converting the traffic to allow HOV. I personally think that it should be Bus ONLY. The Bus is going to have to be Monorail substitute for Ballard.

If we were to ever have HOV on 15th it should be 3+ or 4 occupant required.

BTown
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BTown

Exactly. I couldn't agree more.

h2o_girl
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h2o_girl

Excellent point, BISILA.

Name
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Name

I thought the biggest lame excuse for the deep-bore tunnel was the lack of freight mobility from Interbay. Instead of opening up the transit lane to personal vehicles, why not open it up to commercial trucks, and cancel the tunnel, since its only purposes are to encourage people to continue driving downtown and jobs for the sake of jobs.

While we are at it, can we make the transit lanes all day? Do personal vehicles really need a third lane during off-peak hours? Won't BRT require all-day use of the lanes.

ballardpilot
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ballardpilot

Yes, they do.

The existing taxes for roads will not go away. But now they also want to charge you every time you USE a road. They'll cloak it in terms of “congestion relief” (their favorite current buzzword is “smart” traffic management). That means when things are busy, you'll have to pay to get in that lane. It will be sold initially as a HOV lane, then they'll add the provision that you can “buy your way in” to that lane even in a single occupancy vehicle. The wealthy don't have time to sit in traffic!

The worst part is that most of the revenue they derive from this scam is siphoned off by a private company, who the city contracts out to “manage” the program.

See previous examples of privatizing public resources e.g. SR 167 and it's “HOT” lanes, and the 2nd Tacoma Narrows bridge. m Coming soon to local roads.

gobigblue
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gobigblue

actually, they are currently transit-only lanes all day, every day.

cars are only supposed to use these lanes for right turns, 24 x 7, and/or for parking during non-peak hours.

if you are a passenger car or motorcycle in these lanes, you are *always* supposed to make a right turn at the next intersection – always.

these lanes are never supposed to be used as a 3rd lane for through traffic other than bicycles and transit (not even motorcycles).

kim
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kim

bingo. we're in seattle. laws? what laws?

kim
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kim

not once, but when and if.

kim
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kim

mr phillips doesn't recognize that there are other neighborhoods that are effected by this. his votes are obviously bought.

Bark more, Wag Less
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Bark more, Wag Less

Correct, which is why it should be buses only: no cars, no bikes.

Bark more, wag less
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Bark more, wag less

I thought Seattle's loony left loved jobs for jobs sake?

eddiek
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eddiek

Opening this lane up is just a bad idea, leave it as is and leave the traffic engineering to the engineers.

ballardissmallilikeanonymity
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ballardissmallilikeanonymity

How does a lane full of parked cars function as a “transit” lane, exactly?

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