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Plans to demolish eyesore on hold

Posted by Geeky Swedes on March 12th, 2009

The boarded up building at 1753 NW 56th is an eyesore and transient hangout, and the owner of the land knows it. In fact, they’d like to tear the place down, but a lack of financing has put a stop to their plans.

Rick Friedhoff, executive director of The Compass Center, says that no matter what they do they can’t seem to keep transients out of the building that’s slated to become a 60-unit facility to house single homeless women. People break in and smoke and use little stoves to cook and keep warm, he told the Ballard District Council on Wednesday. He’s afraid that if there’s a fire, there’s no easy way out. “To us it’s a threat to life, so we have petitioned the city to take it down. But it’s very difficult to take down a building like this, because the city wants you to have a Master Use Permit for what’s going to go up next.”

Unfortunately for a non-profit like The Compass Center, that’s very difficult. “Due to the economic crisis, low income housing, just like any other housing, the financing for it right now is very difficult,” Friedhoff said. The organization wants to get financing lined up from start to finish before applying for a Master Use Permit. In the meantime, he’d like to make the land something that Ballard could use. “We would take the structure down and it would just be a vacant piece of property. We would put in grass or we would allow it to be used by some method that the Ballard community wanted it to be used.”

In a week, a city inspector will head out with Friedhoff to check out the property. The goal is to determine if the building fits the criteria to be torn down. “To make it habitable,” Friedhoff said, “It has be more than one half the replacement cost of the property.” He believes the place is beyond repair, helping their cause to tear it down without a Master Use Permit. But for now the green boarded up building sits and waits.

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  • SPG
    Susan, you are so blissfully unaware of yourself that it's shocking. You create a reality in your mind and damn what anyone else says or what the facts are. You can't even agree with yourself!
    You tell people not to call 911 because the drug dealers will kill them, then you throw the opposite at me.
    You spend days telling everyone that the homeless are wonderful interesting artists writing poetry by candlelight, then you tell us we have to go yell at them and run them out of town.
    How can anyone argue against you if you can't even settle these arguments swirling around your own mind? Are you just here to argue no matter what anyone says?

    As far as BHO, I have reservations when anyone who believes in these conspiracies, goes by a pseudonym of Black Helicopter Operations, and then announces a super secret organization of manly men who fight crime under cover of darkness. You don't think there's some cause for concern of abuse in there? If what they're doing is nothing more than a patrolling block watch, great, just say so, and I might even join up, but I'm not inclined to join in someone else's macho fantasy.
  • jules
    Ballard Hippy Tea Girl
    you really need to learn to spell as you are reflecting yourself as an uneducated flake.

    Just to help you out in your future posts, this is how you spell Bellevue. You seem to like that word.
  • Susan
    SPG

    There you go with your jealousy of Black Helicopter. What do you do? Sit home and type that we need to call 911 all day, rather than just go outside your shop and say

    "Hey guys, we ask that you don't panhandle here"

    You have no answers, but complain about everyone who is doing a crime watch. Then, you talk about restructuring the Seattle Police Department to suit your needs, which could take years. Just speak up when you see a crime. I do all the time. It's simple

    Your the man, just say

    "Hey! Kock it off! No loitering outside my shop!"

    Whats so hard? Chicken?
  • SPG
    black heli said: "Forecasters, like Gerald Celente, are predicting total econonomic collapse to the point of rioting in every major city in coming months. "

    Uh, yeah, and the Russian 'expert' said that Alaska will beg to join Russia within a few years. In the 90's it was the evil government taking your militia's guns. In the 80's the conspiracy was an all out race war in the suburbs. Before that it was surviving the post nuclear apocalypse, before that the communist 5th column, before that a slave uprising, before that the Indians, before that...
    There's always been a conspiracy threat from some group of 'others'. If you look hard enough you can find events that will back up all of those conspiracies like the LA riots, spies, or a couple loonies publishing a communist workers newsletter. The reality is that all these events are isolated and the vast majority of our society 99%+ is vested in the status quo and will maintain it, unlike centuries ago where only the elites were vested.
    Right now you're looking at the homeless as those others. I don't like being hassled for change either and I fully recognize that there are some dangerous criminals in that mix. All I'm saying is that the situation is neither as dire, nor as black and white as you'd like it to be. Take a little reality check, then try to define the real problem and let's deal with that.
    For the record, I do think that the building in question is a big part of that problem, but a bigger part is that we live in a town that has an undersized police force that is too busy responding to calls to do any proactive street level policing or follow up on any but the highest profile cases. These are immediate and local concerns, but the homeless issue is much bigger and much more diverse. Simple policing won't solve that or even put a dent in it.
  • OingoBoingo
    Black Helicopter Operations

    You and I agree families should not need to worry about crossing the street to avoid the 'n'er do wells' or looking over their shoulder to check for that 'tag along' or fret about getting a park bench because of leering bums or being aggressively panhandled.

    Needles found in public places including parks and playgrounds aren't left by absent minded diabetics. Those who expect others to pick up their toxic drug excrement need to be somewhere else far away from here.

    If places, as the Blue House, harbor illegal activity and the owners are powerless to prevent it, then it is a public nuisance and safety issue. The owners, developers and building dept have a civic responsibility to the community to maintain the safe environment for rest of us who live here.
  • jm
    The Downtown Merchants Association printed small pocket sized brochures that advised people not to give money to street people panhandling. They did this several years ago and distributed the flyers throughout the downtown area. The message was simple; don’t encourage the sidewalk begging. Not sure if it worked or not, but maybe the Ballard business owners need to do something similar.
  • Ballard Hippy Tea Girl
    Save the artist squat house! go back to belvue or stay off that side of the street of you dont like them.saveBergin park from the yuppiies invasion too
  • Black Helicopter Operations
    Every business needs a camera facing the frount door. Whether you can afford it or not. It's just a requirement for business these days. Source was broken into again.
  • Black Helicopter Operations
    OingoBoingo

    Watch out if you say "The gloves come off. People here will assume you are talking about assault.

    The problem is, with unemployment at an all time high, this summer we are going to be buried in High School and College kids from the "Burning Man" community, sitting in Bergen Park and marching up and down Market Street with colored dreadlocks. Add those to the transients we already have.

    Forecasters, like Gerald Celente, are predicting total econonomic collapse to the point of rioting in every major city in coming months. You think we have problems maintaining order now?

    With just the influx of the Transient Army we now have here, for the Food Bank twice a week and the two free lunches per week Ballard offers? Not to mention, the best pan handling in Seattle?

    We now have a free lunch Monday at Calgary, Wednesday and Thursday is Food Bank, Friday, it's free lunch in downtown Ballard at St. Lukes. We also have a totally legal car campground, about to be set up by the library for transients to live in cars.

    Who would not live on the streets in Ballard? Especially when some of these transients get full medical coverage, dental, food stamps, cash and other things because they claim to be "Disabled" ?

    Top it off with one building after the next being opened to "housing squatters" , who break in and shoot meth, you have a ruined neighborhood. Not only are all the boarded up houses off Market being occupied by druggies, now the transients are moving into spaces once occupied by businesses that went under.

    And, the new Great Depression is just starting, not ending.
  • OingoBoingo
    The 'Sip and Ship' is a legitimate business so maybe the 'Blue House' would be a better description or even an address on 56th?

    I don't care about the break ins, as much as it would temporarily screw up my life, as much as one piece of drug paraphanalia, like a needle or residue of some kind infecting or some 'altered' user hurting a child. For me, the gloves would be off because of an injury to an innocent.
    Meth needle stuff and alcoholism being tied in with art, free expression and entitlement doesn't fit in around here. Perhaps these people could go somewhere that has a continuous 'Burning Man' for that nihilistic urge.
    When it comes to the kids, all bets are off.
  • The Sip And Ship Meth House
    Anyone who goes near The Sip and Ship Meth House is crazy. I saw a bunch of transients there yesterday, while waiting for the bus. They may claim to be neo - hippie artists, but they looked like skid row winos and junkies to me.
  • The Sip And Ship Meth House
    The Sip and Ship Meth House is dangerous. Until they can keep the junkies and transients out, stay away. The police responded to a woman screaming, because she was being raped inside by a Meth Head. It was in The Ballard News Tribune a week or two ago.

    Look, but dont get too close, is my best advive. Especially, for the females in the neighborhood.

    It may be a popular hang out for transients and Neo - Hippies, but anything can happen inside, and usually does.
  • MJ
    How did Blue House do on the art walk?
  • seattlenative
    Jon #88...
    Best suggestion I've seen here. Lots of benefit for everyone and what people don't want/use can go to the dare I say food bank and soup kitchens.
  • More Transients than you can s
    Interesting...

    Someone should really do a study of who all these new transients are in Ballard and where the came from. Is there a way to do that, without endangering yourself? I have heard they are being bussed in from every place from Portland to WA State prisons, but how can one find out. Even the local homeless dont know who these people are.

    One homeless man even told me that new Calgary Shelter, is in fact transitional housing for released prisoners. Which, explains the secrecy and refusal to produce background check to us.
  • MJ
    what about this new program? Seattle Times, today...When they run out of money they will go where they it is easiest...

    Originally published Friday, March 13, 2009 at 12:00 AM



    Early-release offenders may get rent money
    The state may soon be lending a financial hand to offenders who qualify for early release from prison. The state Senate has passed a measure that would provide rental vouchers for inmates who qualify for release but can't leave because they don't have an approved place to live.

    By Chantal Anderson

    Seattle Times staff reporter

    PREV of NEXT




    Sen. Mike Carrell
    The state may soon be lending a financial hand to offenders who qualify for early release from prison.

    The state Senate has passed a measure that would provide between $400 and $500 in rental vouchers each month for inmates who qualify for release but can't leave because they don't have an approved place to live.

    Offenders would receive the vouchers for three months upon release.

    By reducing the number of inmates held beyond their early-release date, the program would save the state around $1.4 million every two years, says the Office of Financial Management.

    Last year the Department of Corrections (DOC) held 1,258 offenders past their early-release date for a variety of reasons, including a lack of living arrangements, community-safety issues or inability to cooperate with conditions.

    Many inmates can reduce their sentences by a third by exhibiting good behavior in prison, but they must have an approved address. Some inmates who have served their maximum sentences are released regardless of whether they have approved housing.

    "The last thing you want is for an unstable offender to be out on the streets," said bill sponsor Sen. Mike Carrell, R-Lakewood. He says the measure should save the state money while also enhancing public safety by placing inmates into stable housing.

    A 2007 study for the DOC found that 69 percent of offenders who commit another crime after prison or jail did not have stable housing after their release.

    "It's very forward-thinking," said Anna Aylward a DOC program administrator. "This program isn't foreign — this concept is done in other states in different ways."

    Still, she has concerns. Aylward said she isn't sure there are enough vendors willing to house the offenders who would benefit from the program.

    Several organizations support the bill, including the Washington State Coalition for the Homeless, Washington Defenders Association and the Washington Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers. No formal opposition to the bill has surfaced.
  • The Sip and Ship Meth House
    Crystal Meth can cause people to totally lose it. I agree 100%. Go to youtube and put in the words Effects of Crystal Meth. Its terrifying.
  • More Transients Than You Can S
    There is so much IV use inside and around that property, planting food is about the last safe thing someone can do. Men in bio- suits will have to tear it down.

    I mean, a woman was practically raped inside by a junkie last week. It was right in The Ballard News Tribune. Don't go near that place.

    I saw three transients behind Sip and Ship trying to get inside two hours ago, while waiting for the bus. It's a shooting gallery. The most evil place Ballard has ever witnessed.

    They will be outside 7-11 tonight selling crack, meth and intimidating female customers. Same routine every weekend. Then, then scurry back to the meth house or the few other boarded up houses and business in downtown Ballard, and a new batch will come out to Market Street. Its a major drug operation. You could get killed or raped if you get too close.

    Try it yourself. Pull into 7 11 parking lot tonight and see what happens....
  • Jon
    Can I make a suggestion? Instead of planting grass, why not open up the property to a local gardening group until they have the funds to build the shelter. Lots of people in Ballard are having a hard time making ends meet and being able to grow some vegetables for yourself can really stretch your food budget.
  • More Transients Than You Can S
    Ah, well hopefully you dont run into Black Helicopter Operations and his friends. He posts here and you can crack jokes to him when he confrounts you some morning at 3 am.... He probably won't find you as amusing as we do.
  • IAMAHOODEDPROWLER
    I like to make sure every door is locked. (Safety first) I'm OCD, I'm OCD. I'm OCD. I'm OCD. And what better time to call my mom and let her know I'm doing good then a late night meth fueled stroll around the inky shadows of Ballard playing dodge the yuppie headlights.

    And I don't hang out in the park in the day...Mostly I come out at night...mostly. Oh and I can't say as I've ever been to the soup kitchen. One of the benefits of being a tweaker is that you don't have to eat very much. I also have no teeth.
  • More Transients Than You Can S
    Let me guess=

    You live in the Meth House, hang out at the 7 11 corner pay phone all night and Bergen Park all day and go to all the Ballard soup kitchens and food bank. Right Hooded Prowler?

    Then for kicks, you go around checking back doors of businesses at 3 am, because of your meth insomnia.
  • IAMAHOODEDPROWLER
    "Milling around at the back entrance to a business that has been closed for hours?"

    -Milling, no but I do walk by business that are closed since it is, you know night out and all.

    " On a dark street, looking like a meth head?"

    -I'm not sure what part of Ballard you live in but it is typically dark at night in most parts of Ballard I've been to. Come to think of it if you were driving by and it was as you mentioned dark out how would you get a clos enough look at me to tell whether or not I was a meth head?

    "Hiding when someone looks at them?"

    -From what you described you must have done a slow creepy drive by glaring at this person. I would have hid too. In case you haven't noticed on this site Ballard is a Terribly dangerous place.

    "Ok, well have fun with your Hoodie at 3 am. How about you go home and act your age, rather than mill around and alley alone at 3 am?"

    -Wait a minute...how do you know how old I am? Are you spying on me? I thought being an adult in a free country allowed you to go for a walk at night when you have insomnia.

    "Sounds crazy I know… By the way, in case you missed the memo, Hoodies are sorta trailer trash looking, but whatever…"

    -Ooh burn. What is this highschool? I'll be sure and pop-in to L.L. Bean and pick up the newest designer fleece at my next opportunity. Thanks Nighttime Fashion Police and Avenger of Justice!

    Ballard is part of A MAJOR METROPOLIS (i.e. Seattle). In cities crimes get committed. In cities there are homeless people and drug addicts. Sometimes homeless drug addicts commit crimes. It's part of life. Put on your big boy/girl pants and take off your tinfoil hat.
  • More Transients Than You Can S
    Well, I sugest anyone with a camera near the Meth House or 7 11 tonight get some video. Its the only hope
  • Transients Coming Out Of Our E
    Tell me about it...
  • Hoodie Prowlers Out Again Thur
    God, I just walked around Ballard. Its infested with transients today.
  • Get lost, you transients! This is supposed to be a homeless shelter! :D
  • Hoodie Prowlers Out Again Thur
    He was milling around near the custom motorcycle shop, Felony Flyers, then he was checking the back door to the Ballard Eagles by the dumpster, then when he saw me he wandered down the street further. He kept looking back at me as he walked.

    The cops would never get there in time. Trust me, drive around downtown Ballard tonight at 3 am. You will see them. There are a half dozen on duty all night, every night prowling the streets.

    They are Meth Heads and prowlers, not people keeping thier heads warm with hoodies. I know the difference.

    But, I guess I am the problem, because I simply am discribing the clothing of the guys who are responsible for the break ins around Ballard.
  • BlackSheep
    Sweet - the whole wine and cheese thing just gets so old.
  • jules
    susan:
    will the crackhouse be open for the Ballard Art Walk tomorrow night?

    let me know and thank you in advance.
  • Hoodie Prowlers Out Again Thur
    Milling around at the back entrance to a business that has been closed for hours? On a dark street, looking like a meth head? Hiding when someone looks at them? Ok, well have fun with your Hoodie at 3 am. How about you go home and act your age, rather than mill around and alley alone at 3 am? Sounds crazy I know... By the way, in case you missed the memo, Hoodies are sorta trailer trash looking, but whatever...
  • IAMAHOODEDPROWLER
    Oh GOD! People wearing hoods! Walking around AT NIGHT!

    Umm, I walk around with a hood all the time, day and night. In case you haven't noticed it is cold outside and hoods tend to keep your head warm.

    There is a word to describe what you alarmist sensationalist people are that doesn't get used very much any more. "busy-bodies"
  • Hoodie Prowlers Out Again Thur
    Anyone else notice, the Hoodie Prowlers? Every time I walk home around 2 am, I see these same suspicious looking guys, with hoodies pulled up over there heads, walking around downtown Ballard, where all the break ins are going on.

    I just saw two of them in different places. One was walking around near some businesses, wearing a dark hoodie, under a light brown over coat. Like a brown work jacket for construction, but he was skinny like a meth head. about 6' tall and 170 lbs I guess.

    He kept looking back at me, then slipped into the shadows. Obviously, he was walking around looking for something to steal or a place to break into. You can tell by the body language. There would be no reason for him to be walking where he was, or acting like that.

    I see these "Hoodie Prowlers" all the time suddenly in Ballard. Always in the middle of the night. I thought they all lived in that Kinkos/Sip and Ship Meth House, but there are a small army of these rascals out every night, from 12pm - about 4 am. You see them appear by 7 11 sometimes at that phone, then vanish as well. Always with Hoodies on... They slip out of sight when a car, cop or every day person is near by.
  • e/c
    don't balme the artist..blame Suasan for calling drug addict artists..it's not who real artist are...they are hard working people who have talent. Susan has a way of clouding what is good and making drug use and addiction romantic
  • Black Helicopter Operations
    That house is the one that was in the Ballard News Tribune story, in the Police blotter a week ago. The police responded to a woman screaming inside. Turns out, someone was being raped inside by a junkie.

    The same issue where the "artist" who lives in Olsens Parking lot, was complaining that he needs a shower for his art show, because he is homeless and lives in Olsens Parking Lot. A pro homeless story - as are all by The News Tribune these days.

    The guy says he sees people making drug deals on the Chai House Pay Phone, and the reporter never questions him further. But, he stays away from the heavy drug users in Bergen Park, he claims.

    "Just a little Pot" is what he sticks too. People assume pot is legal in WA, but it's not.

    I personally, am sick of all the artists around Ballard.
  • e/c
    San Fran Pete...

    Can you read who is in this house...artist are not there...no one said they were and there is only evidence of drug use. Please know the facts (please don't use Susan as a reference) before you defend artist in Ballard. Trust me they are not in the house, not ar ethey crack head or meth users..
  • xenu-xenu
    i bet the house has HIVVY
  • milo dakkat
    Artists? Wtf! Ain't no artists in those places.
  • San Fran Pete
    Maybe, this could be opened for the Next Art Walk. If we agree, these artists should be allowed to stay, let's at least bring them out in the open.

    In San Fansisco, we have a vibriant underground art scene, where these places are better than some art gallerys and music schools. I would say, if it draws artists to town, whats the harm? It's a creative space for artists and performers, is all I am hearing here. Thats a crime now?
  • Big D
    Xenu- This probably wouldn't be your "sledge-hammer" kind of tear down. This would be guys first going in with Haz-mat suits and de-contaminating the structure before demo. You should read about the procedure of tearing down meth labs. This place is without a doubt infested with Hepatitis A,B,C and Ewwww(among many other things). Virus are very stable in syringes and surfaces (particulary Hepatitis variety). They would also perform molecular tests to make sure all the infectious disease are gone beofre tearing it down to protect the demo guys. The landlord would be liable if any demo worker got infected. It's the same with making sure ther is no asbestos in the "popcorn" before you have contract work done on your property. This process is very expensive.
  • xenu-xenu
    he cant afford to tear it down? i will gladly help use any means possible to tear it down. im sure we can pool together the drama-filled emotional crowd of MyBallard and have that place toppled lickty split.

    suthii himself could bring this house down with his cunning wit.
  • e/c
    Jules- post #53
    Thank you for setting the record straight...there are many artist out there who work hard and actually employ discpline to get their art done...to equate talented hard working people with crack and meth heads is an insult to them!

    I applaud you for doing what you need to do in order to keep your art alive.

    Susan post #42...school taddle tail...are you on crack? Was school that painful for you that you ?

    You are being short sighted and stubborn..you refuse to enlighten yourself, gain some knowledge and find out what the police may be doing...it may make you unpopular with the Bergen Park folks or with the blue house folks...and being unpopular is a greater risk than being informed...There is a reason you are where you are in life...and typing posts on a blog seems to make you feel powerful...but everyone who reads your words know you flip flop your opinions based on the day, and refuse to hear more than you want to know....office Haag groupies? Taddle tale? Are you kidding me???
  • MJ
    Housing and Showers for Artists - Not bull dozers -
    Artist? Are youy kidding...they are too high to be artist...their first and formest concern is getting their next fix and the money to do it...
    I agree with e/c everyone should be enlightened on what the police have in mind for all these issues...not sure Susan will call she is too busy name calling.

    When you say "we" should open us the hosue and let them all in...dfo you realize it is actually provate property that is being violated and has an owner? There is no vote among any of us..just an opinion.
  • seattlenative
    I keep reading about all of the "artists" living in the housing mentioned in this article and other boarded up buildings and many seem to believe these people should have funding from the government to maintain their income free life-styles. Many of them have never or haven't worked in years, and instead have been relying on hand-outs. I think the days of hand-outs, without accountability will soon come to an end.

    I have worked in a field that has helped low-income people for years. In the past it was easy for those that didn't want to work to get help from the system. I think we are now in a climate that demands anyone that wants help is going to have to step up, clean-up and be accountable to get help because the resources that are available are going to be resereved for the most hopeful and those that are really trying. We can't waste our precious social service dollars on those that aren't serious about changing their lives.

    In case these people haven't noticed our government is in a shambles and is currently trying to help people who are or have been working to get back on track. While I am totally in agreement of helping those that can't work due to a disability, I think those that have chosen homelessness/addiction as a lifestyle and hide under the title of "artist" or whatever other excuse are in for a rude awakening in this economy. Unfortunately many of them will die on the street I fear if they don't wake up and see even the social service systems that have helped them all these gravy years are no longer going to be able to help them unless they take some steps to change their lifestyle. Even the social service agencies have very limited funding now and sad, but true now are more apt to sink their resources into people who really want to change and are less likely to help those just looking for a free hand-out.

    Those that are really artists or have some other viable ways to make money may need to find a way to sell their works, instead of hanging out all day thinking thay are special and don't have to work for a living. Just as everyone has to do in this tough economy, we have to find a way to make it and hanging out in an abandoned building crying about being an artist, doing nothing all day to help your situation and hoping others will support you won't cut it in this economy. Even those that are in the most primative and desperate situations are going to be called on to take some steps to change I believe to get government funding.

    The last post (d.baker) said he believed in the survival of the fittest. I used to hate that quote because I felt it left out the least and most vulnerable in our population.I now believe that even the least and most vulnerable now need to step up and want some changes in their lives if they expect any help. Everyone can and should be doing their part to turn our economy around.
    If you can't find a job, lots of non-profits need volunteers. I think these "artists" and others should be volunteering at the very least. We all are part of the problem or part of the solution afterall.

    My parents grew up during the depression in the 1930's. I grew up hearing the stories of how hard it was for them. I never really got it until now. They worked their butts off to stay afloat and as a result, they learned lessons that I could never begin to understand and still can hardly fathom. I am now only starting to understand and I am 50. I hope things get better and I won't learn first-hand what my parents preached all those years.

    In the meantime, this is not the time to sit back and hope for a hand-out. I think this is the time to come together and work hard. Those that have been sitting on their hands all these years and could have been working will need to catch up. Those of us that have been working are struggling to survive and have little pity for those we have tried to help when times were better.

    I think we will come out of this a better nation, as we will be forced to scale back and live more within our means.
  • SPG
    Not to take this too far off topic, but...

    d.baker said: "I’m a believer of survival of the fittest."

    Which is fine as long as you're fit. The moment you slip up you'd wind up fighting the same people you're cursing now just to survive. I'd much prefer a better safety net that gets people back on their feet stronger than they were instead of letting people slip so far down that they are a drain on all of us like the zombies taking over this house and Bergen Park.
    I also don't have a problem with paying for roads, schools, police, fire dept, health care, and all the other public services. Do you have any idea how much it would cost to do any of those things on your own? Do you have any idea how miserable life would be without any public services? Look up Liberia if you want to see what happens when a government disappears.
  • d.baker
    I understand that and that is one of the many reasons why I believe our tax system is completely messed up.
    I'm a believer of survival of the fittest.
  • Allison
    Yikes, equating junkies with artists is an affront to artists.
  • SPG
    d.baker, I hate to point it out, but you are paying for their healthcare in a sense already since the costs of unpaid emergency room visits gets passed on to the rest of us.
    There was an article linked here a while back that ran the numbers of what it costs to put homeless into apartments with supervision/services and that it actually came out cheaper than leaving them on the street and having them use emergency rooms and other responder services. I think the savings was about $10,000 per person per year. Those drunks and drug addicts sure do a lot of damage to each other, themselves, and to us when left on the street.
  • d.baker
    #35
    "Health care for artists is also something the taxpayer should fund, rather than wars in two countries."

    Why should I, a working person, have to pay for you? I EARN my money, If your not able to, that is not my fault and I should NOT have to be punished by paying more taxes to fund your needs. Get a REAL job or start making GOOD art that someone actually wants to buy!
  • Jomondana
    I think the fire dept is always looking for houses to "control" burn for training purposes. This may be a good candidate!
  • jules
    lighting their pipes by candlelight is more realistic.
  • jules
    correction, sorry--not MY needle but rather A needle.

    i feel that needed clarification.
  • silence.kit
    "a few artists painting and probably writing poetry by candlelight."

    All right, that's hilarious.

    It's not a Dickens novel.
  • jules
    hippy tea girl:
    get a clue. i am an artist, with my own home. i rent space in my home to other artists and yes the artists are my friends and i consider my friends as family. the people shooting up and stumbling around ballard are none of my relations as i do not take part in anything like that and think putting my needle in my arm to get high is bizarre. i have never been to bellevue but thanks for your stoned stupid suggestion. i also am in the chai house and never talk negative about the people or the place.

    get your head out of your bong and realize that hippies can GROW UP to be successful, happy, NON ADDICTED people in their community. when you grow up, you might want to try that.
  • hippy tea girl
    the hippys and artist are a family and gwoing each day. go back to bellevue
  • Swede'N'Need
    Artists?
    Right!!!
    Addicts and Drunks.

    Susan is a troll or 12 years old because nobody could be that stupid and live to become an adult.

    I moved to Ballard in 1982 and while there were always homeless around, only recently has it become a mecca for addicts and useless "neo-hippies." The fact that these people choose a life of laziness and mooching over contributing to society is insulting. Take, take, take from others and provide "art" in return.
  • Nordic Woman
    Artists? What color IS the atmosphere on your home planet?
    Get rid of this rat's nest, and you will get rid of some rats.

    These people are not Ballardites, they are meth heads and crack addicts. How do they support their habits? By break ins, burglery, car prowls, and panhandling.
  • Susan
    I support the arts my attending events at the Chai House. You should too. It would break you out of this black and white view of reality you live in. Broaden your intellectual horizons EC. Life is not so bad...
  • SPG
    susan said: "simply a few artists painting and probably writing poetry by candlelight"

    I just about spit up my lunch I was laughing so hard! Seriously susan, go spend a night in there. If you survive let us know how many works of art and poems were created. Take pictures, document it.
    It's a shooting gallery plain and simple. The squatters live in squalor while the druggies shoot up in the shadows. The little camp stoves are a very real fire hazard and are going to burn the place down. If a fire starts there will be fatalities for sure since the place is boarded up and tough to get in and out of.
    Ask any of the cops who've had to go in there, it's absolutely disgusting.
    The bottom line is that it is more dangerous to have people in there in it's current condition than to tear it down.
    If you really think these people are just artists and poets, open your home to them. I've hosted real artists in my home and they're usually very interesting and engaging guests.
    Oh? You don't want to have them in your home? Why is that?
  • jules
    mickey:
    i am with you 100%. also whoever "hippy teagirl" is: newsflash>>>>>all artists are NOT drug addicts and homeless. artists can be working, positive people in our societies and even happen to CARE about others & our neighborhood.

    go clean your crackpipe....
  • Larry
    I know plenty of artists who go out, get part-time jobs and then rent places together as a group to keep costs down. No need for cable, internet or a landline. I rented a two bedroom apartment in Ballard for $750 up until 6 months ago. Plenty big for four people to share, it even had washer/dryer. I find it hard to believe that with energy and ingenuity a person can't scrape up the funds to do something like that. They may have to put down their cup of tea or paint brush or guitar for a few hours a day, but not having to scramble for shelter might free up some free-time.

    Not only that but a job gets you out amongst diverse community members, maybe some who would has connections in the art/business world and boom, a career actually starts.

    p.s. Tear the houses down, they are a tragedy waiting to happen.
  • Susan
    Sound like this intellectual named "Showers and Housing For Artists" knows a bit more aabout Ballard, than you or I. If he says it's a house of intellectuals, why doubt him? What proof do you have otherwise? None is the correct answer. I will trust a Ballard intellectual over you EC. Nothing personal, but the man seems to know what he is saying.
  • mickey
    "Bugging him with a bunch more calls won’t speed up chasing out, what it turns out are simply a few artists painting and probably writing poetry by candlelight.", says Susan, the local enabler of meth heads.

    That's the kind of nutbag nonsense I'm talking about.
  • mickey
    Susan -- How unsurprising that you misconstrued and mischaracterized my and e/c's comments. No one said Officer Haag was a "savior" (you really do like to make crap up, don't you?)

    For those with information rentention capacity: the North Precinct is the largest precinct in the city and crime is growing in this area. The precinct is UNDERSTAFFED (Susan, if you don't know what that word means, look it up in a dictionary). The UNDERSTAFFED precinct is doing the best it can with the resources it has. When I call them to come and remove the drug dealers and drunk partyers late night at the playfield and community center they do usually show up and boot them out (unless there is a shooting, stabbing or DV situation happening at the same time.) Sometimes they even arrest them for drug dealing and drunk driving, for which I feel quite pleased!

    The meth-heads and drunks in the house behind Kinko's are not artists. They are addicts and criminals. They are scum and need to be removed. The house needs to be torn down.

    Susan and Hippy Dippy Dumbbunny - you are both pathetic. Your nonsense impressees no one. Leave Ballard to those who actually know and care about it.
  • Susan
    Knock it off with the Officer Haag. We get it. You're the school tadle tale. Bugging him with a bunch more calls won't speed up chasing out, what it turns out are simply a few artists painting and probably writing poetry by candlelight. My goodness.
  • SPG
    OK, reading comprehension time.

    "I say, we open the place up and make it a shelter for homeless artists."

    From the article we're all commenting on:

    "the building that’s slated to become a 60-unit facility to house single homeless women."

    It is going to be a shelter. Maybe not for heroin/crack/meth addicted 'artists', but homeless shelter for people in need. Once it's rebuilt it will be a lot better than what it is now.
  • Housing and Showers for Artist
    All sorts use these houses. Artists, performers, musicians, squatters, etc. Sure, there are unsavory characters as well, but to tear down a house which shelters dozens of folks from across the city who were formerly homeless, is not the answer. I say, we open the place up and make it a shelter for homeless artists. Better in the house, than in Bergen Park, at least accourding to the Neo Fascists that have taken root in Ballard of late.
  • c/c
    officer Devlin Haag can be contacted at:

    206) 233-3733
  • SPG
    dippyteagirl said: "if you dont like the houses stay off that side of you street. dont want you anyway. artist have right too not kinkos house"

    How about if you don't want to be a contributing member of society stay out of Ballard?
    I have to call BS on the artist part. They're not artists. They're addicts. Don't try to cover for the unsavory addict by sugar coating some "art" excuse over it. Even if their are some addicts with some artistic talents it doesn't cover for the fact that they are first and foremost addicts living on the street and doing whatever they can to get high first and leaving 'art' pretty low on the priority list. If you really care about the art, you'd help them get treatment, not a place to shoot up.
  • c/c
    Housing and Showers for Artists - Not bull dozers

    Not sure it ever came up that it was artist who were squatting in these houses..not sure how that ever came into the picture?
  • MJ
    Hippy girl..really the best solution? You may want ot switch teas...if you ignore it it will go away? Can I borrow those rose colored glasses?
  • Housing and Showers for Artist
    If artists are using an empty space in a creative way, is that not the idea? Rather than put a damper on intellectual persuits, should we not foster them in a unified way, as a community? Housing artists should have been factored in long ago in this grande new scheme we call Ballard 2009, IE. New Ballard. Showers and housing are basics, if one is to persue artistic enlightenment, which is for your benefit, not ours.... Health care for artists is also something the taxpayer should fund, rather than wars in two countries.
  • e/c
    Susan-
    Why do you condemn the police force? Why do you think you have the right to say or determine what they do is right or wrong..you are uneducated in their policies and procedures...you won't even find out more, at least Micky did. Do you know if it is one cop? Do you know what it means to be the lead on a task force? Do you know anything about how the city works with the police force, regardless of constraints? Have you thought of how you can hgelp and support the pliice force so our community and neighbors are protected and feel safe? Are you more interested in putting your energy into a film crew to film what despicable activins go on in there, all due to addiction? Is ther only one cop in the NOrth preceint? Do you even know? Of course you do not...you have no idea of what the task force is, how many people/officers are involved or what plans they have...do you Susan? Is officer Haag and his task force in desks? Have they ever sat in a desk? Do you know? Can you imagine if you got educated on the subject? Wow that would be remarkable...you'd actaully have some idea... I would not want to hang my star on you fixing Ballard thats for sure!

    Still holding my breath on those pictures and all the proof you have from the "we" and "they"..maybe the truth is you have been hanging out in the house and it has somehow clouded your ability to make sense?
  • SPG
    "What if they just remove all the outer walls without demolishing the structure?"

    I know you're joking, but that would be funny if it were even remotely structurally possible. Slap on some clear plastic walls and make it into a habitrail of heroin addicts! You could sell tickets on the street like a zoo exhibit or make it a live action morality play/afterschool special showing the reality of drug abuse.
  • SPG
    I'm glad something is being done about this place. It's not so much that it's an eyesore, but a public nuisance and a deathtrap.
    As far as the redtape, it's just normal process, nothing out of control really. You can't waive the rules just because it seems obvious to you (as much as we'd all like to see this expedited) because the next time it will be some less desirable outcome such as a landmark getting torn down with no notice. The city has it's rules and regs in place and will follow them. Since this isn't an emergency they will cover their own behind and follow it to the letter. Once they see that the building is a public nuisance they will allow the demolition.
  • Susan
    All you "Officer Haag" groupies need to get real. You say he is your savior, but follow it up every time with "But, he says the city does not have the resources..." Wow, brilliant. I could have told you that right here, without a phone call.

    You really have all expectations of the man, totally blown out of proportion. What next? Put a cape and Batman suit on the guy? Gimme a break... You complained enough, that they assigned one cop to handle all the calls from Ballard, rather than random people who answer the calls getting annoyed. Yippy.... I am sure he is a great guy, but come on...

    One cop on a phone at the North Precinct, is not going to fix every problem in Ballard. You sound like Obama Zombies. It's not even logical. The only people who can fix Ballard, are people in Ballard. Not one cop sitting at a desk in Northgate. Sorry to burst your bubble....
  • hm
    What if they just remove all the outer walls without demolishing the structure? Wouldn't that remove any incentive to get inside? Then you also don't have a hazard with people getting locked in!
  • hippy tea girl
    if you dont like the houses stay off that side of you street. dont want you anyway. artist have right too not kinkos house
  • mickey
    e/c -- I doubt Susan has spoken with Officer Haag, but I certainly have, many times. What you state is true. Too bad some people "can't handle the truth".
  • mickey
    Susan, you are flat wrong to say the police don't mind what's going on in those houses. They simply don't have the resources to deal with it on a continual basis. There is so much other crime happening in the North Precinct, they are overwhelmed. I know -- I've talked to the precinct cops. They are doing the best they can with what they have.

    Tolerating these activities will bring more of it to the neighborhood. Fact.
  • Anthony
    I know they are just dying to turn it into another pizza place/condominium building. Let them salivate...
  • e/c
    Susan..are you sure you don't need proof there are crack heads in Ballard??/ Shoudl someone use a camera phone to prove it to you? Is it such a hard stretch to beleive that they are doing it ont top of Ballard Camera, or being so drugged up they may use the bushes as a toliet? Boy what a switch in your stand.

    Who is "everyone" are they part of your group of "we"?

    How do you know the cops "don't mind" did they tell you?

    Did you ever call officer Haag who is the lead on the task force for the transisets in Ballard and get his "official word" or are you assuing "everyone" and "we" are the last word?
    Just because you say it is true..are you the last word on all of these issues? Please prove with pictures, and docs, like you ask everyone else. Feel free to blur out faces so we won't recognize the meth and crack heads that end up in Bergen park too...and as far as sending teens in there (you are differnt in that way) what parents of teens do you know woudl send their kids in there?


    So you admit to all of this....yet there is no way they are getting drunk or high in Bergen place and being a public nuisance....please enlighten all of us. Don;t make statements you cannot verify...please back it up with proof. Oh..and don;t call officer Haag he may have too much info on the subject that may actually have documentation behind it!
  • mickey
    I can assure you, the people who partronize Kinko's and the good people who work there DO NOT think we should have to simply "tolerate" the goings-on in that house. I spoke to the Kinko's staff about it the other day and they are sick and tired of calling the cops. They want the house it torn down and replaced, and so does everyone else who cares about the neighborhood.

    One of the Kinko's staffers said the only saving grace is that there hasn't been much activity there the last two weeks... but they expect it to return anytime.

    The DPD's policy on situations like this is the epitome of Seattle bureaucracy at its worst. Tear the damn thing down. And yes, tear down the meth houses next to it as well.

    Call city council offices and flood them with complaints about this problem. Keep calling and bugging them until they can't ignore it anymore. Isn't Sally Clark the chair for the Neighborhoods committee? And which council member heads up the land use committee? Call them and bug them. Squeaky wheels...
  • Susan
    It is true. Everyone knows about these three or fours houses, including the police who don’t really seem to mind. They throw them out only when called, but with the cold weather, they know they will be back inside a half hour after they leave. It’s sort of a don’t ask don’t tell policy with the police I guess. With the construction over there, but no credit to finish the work, there are plenty of boarded up places to keep your buns warm in Ballard. Hit the soup kitchens during the day, then the food bank twice a week, and it’s paradise for these kids. I am not saying I would do it, but you can see why they do. Not the place I would send my teen, but I am different in that way. They are squatters as the person said. It’s common in all cities.
  • Mr. B in Ballard
    Oh, and ditto on the deck screws. I'd go 4", 12" O.C.
  • Mr. B in Ballard
    I think that the city is handling this fairly, it is good for them (in general) to discourage speculative tear downs. IN many locations, that has simply led to the fenced off empty lots that we see in many other areas (like Nick's Boats and Motors down the street from us).

    I'm sure that once the inspector has a chance to see the condition and the safety issue, they will have a change of heart.
  • george
    Thank you My Ballard for allowing this discussion. This is a great example of beuracratic BS paralyzing an honest effort to rid our community of urban blight.
    May I suggest 3" deck screws next time you board up the house.
  • Susan
    It would be cool if you guys could get permission from the transients to go inside and do an "Inside Ballards Meth Houses" documentary movie, or just a story with clear pictures.

    Just agree not to show anyones faces and pay the folks inside a few bucks and I bet they would love it and we would have a first hand look inside.

    They did one like that on PBS about the crack heads living in a subteranean world below New York City below the subways. It was great. You can find it on Youtube.com

    These squatter stories are very interesting and with this economy, it's hard to say what is the moral answer to the question. Just a story idea, thats all.

    Sure, they take drugs. But, the moral question is what to do about it as a neighborhood. If anything....
  • Wrong Meth House. Ha ha
    You ever hear of stashing a 5 dollar crowbar in the bushes? Guess you never lived outside. When its cold, you get in.... trust me.
  • Travis
    "...no matter what they do they can’t seem to keep transients out of the building..."

    Really? Plywood over the doors and windows with lots of nails doesn't keep people out?
  • Wrong Meth House. Ha ha
    Everyone keeps focusing on this house. Yes, it's bad, but the real one is the one you can see the edge of in the picture. This Compas one is not even the Meth House!!! Ha ha ha Or, should I say the main Meth House...

    The Meth House, is the one shown to the right, which is behind Ballard Sip and Ship. You can see a bit of it in this photo. It's huge, brownish, and there are upwards of 50 Meth Heads and heroin attacks in and out, 24 hours per day. It's simple, pull off a board and go inside. Get thrown out by the cops, go back an hour later..... Everyone knows it.

    Get thrown out of those two, and walk one block to the blue house next to where Dennys was and jump the fence. Go right inside after pulling off a board. That whole area has boarded up houses. The police know everyone is inside. They don't care, is what they say. Every druggie from Pioneer Square to Capital Hill has come to Ballard to take advantage of these free houses that are abandoned. The owner of the main house, allows people inside actually.

    The house had a huge gang graffitti logo spray painted on it until a few days ago. That is where all the drug dealers and tweakers around 7 11 operate from. Well, I guess they have two houses now, accourding to this story...

    If this one being a crack house too, is news to me....

    They live there at night and hang out in Bergen Park and Chai House all day. Whats the mystery. Everyone in Ballard knows it. It;s called squattting dummy!
  • reaguns
    welcome to the city of seattle permit process. and the whinning crybabies of the neighborhoods who have there head up there a_s. think they should be able to say this one should get torn down , but the other one can't. and none of there hard earned money is even on the line. pretty typical. peace
  • jules
    swishy ballard boy:
    Rottweilers don't like crackhouses, it upsets their tummies!:)
  • Mahtli69
    If the house is borderline condemnable, then it seems like someone with 10 minutes and a chainsaw could give it the final push. Not that I am suggesting that someone do that, but it is a thought ...
  • As a former owner of a restaurant that shared the building next door with Fedex Kinko's, I can attest that this building is a hazard! Let the grass grow I say!
  • Sheila
    They were able to tear down Denny's but not this? It's not as if they are going to build anything in Denny's place for a while.
  • milo dakkat
    Sounds like a bunch of lame excuses to me.
  • jm
    We walked by there this morning and it appears to be boarded-up pretty well.
  • MJ
    Maybe if enough cracked is cooked in there they can tear it down as a biohazard site!

    Hard to believe you cannot tear down your own building....
  • Swishy Ballard Boy
    Two words: hungry rottweiler
  • Catherine
    Rightly or wrongly the difference between the dennys site and this site is that this one has housing and that comes with a special set of hurdles for a teardowm.
  • jm
    It's a wreck and bound to become an house fire with people sneaking into it.
  • dg
    Even with site master plans, seems that the for-profit developers in the neighborhood have no problems tearing down buildings and leaving the land vacant, ugly and fenced. Can't we afford non-profits the ability to tear down a building without an SMP to plant some grass?
  • jeffo
    my eyes are playing tricks on me. I read:
    "We would put in grass or we would allow it to be used by some meth head"
  • boardbrown
    Clearly, the DPD should grant permission to tear it down. Requiring a complete MUP seems like a weak argument for keeping the building. There are such things as a simple demolition permit with no strings attached. But I suppose there is more to the situation.

    But hopefully the inspector will understand the urgency. You've got an owner who wants to tear down the building, and a public who wants it even more. Seems like a no brainer.
  • Sounds like a difficult situation...Keep us posted! We love your off-beat local news!
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