Ballard’s soon-to-be newest pub, The Market Arms (2401 NW Market St), will extend to the outdoors.
John Bayliss, the owner of The Market Arms tells us that he’s already permitted to have a patio out front to the property line, which is even with the building next door. To create a bigger space, Bayliss has also applied for a sidewalk cafe permit with the city so he can extend the seating out about another two and a half feet. The Market Arms also has a small back patio that will have about a dozen seats.
New pub will have sidewalk seating
When is it scheduled to open?
This place could be cool but I fear it will be just another sports bar with affectations of the english disease.
If it's run like the George and Dragon you can pretty much forget it. I've been in there several times, always hoping it might be a little different. It is dark, dirty, dank, and noisy. It caters to a fairly unruly clientele that are primarily interested in cheap beer, greasy food, and drinking until they can barely stagger home.
Rudy, Bayliss tells us the pub will open around the beginning of May.
Excellent! Thank you. :)
and pray what is the English disease to which you refer?
Are you going to the same George and Dragon? Yes it is dark, what pub isn't?
The beer is fabulous – as long as you drink the good stuff, and the food is better than many pubs in the area….the drinking part – well seems that is part and parcel of most pubs.
I refuse to come here unless they erect a giant tent to protect me from the elements.
Well the English disease is generally a euphemism for hooliganism, but in this context, I was trying for a faux wannabe hooliganism. You know the children/babies of the soccer moms of Bill Clintons 1994, who are ever so eager to show how rowdy their firm is.
My husband and I are so excited for The Market Arms to open! It's going to be a great place to watch Sounders games!
I look forward to enjoying some fine pints here! I love that they will extend the sidewalk seating (a bit like Sully's). I also think this business will be a significant anchor to Market Street and a boon to existing and future businesses west of 24th.
Hurrah for small business owners!
Jackie…whats your point?
heck yeah! nice to have a new pub to extend the crawl in the direction of the Kiss and the Sloop… the only natural last stop on a day-long bender.
Tasty beer, good English pub grub, outdoor seating and a magnificent lacquered wood bar (we poked our heads in yesterday–it's gorgeous). Now, if only our house were downhill instead of up for the sodden walk home, the whole experience would be nirvana.
Sadly most of Fremont has gone that way.
I'm hoping for a better class of drunk at this establishment.
we're not all like that. I promise. :)
Thanks GS! Is there a way to contact John Bayliss? Email address?
Agree about Fremont. I think the Ballard crowd will be better. I'm a better class of drunk, anyway.
Actually, contrary to what I've posted, I remain optimistic. I don't think that section of Ballard will sustain the same atmosphere that his bar in Freemont does. I Location, location, location.
Don't you people have homes?
Wow Jackie, cheap beer at $5 a pint? Where are you drinking at?? $5 for a 20oz IMPORT pint is a great price. Better than some of those places I see on Ballard Ave serving a craft beer in a 14oz “cheater” glass with a thick bottom and charging $5
It's called a community.
No I think its called desperately seeking a life in bars. Not a good place to find one.
Judge much?
While the majority of people on here have lives and homes, we occasionally choose to leave them (the homes, not the lives). It's not desperate, it's what normal, functional people do.
Drinking? At a bar? Say it ain't so…
Jackie – If you actually think the George and Dragon is unruly then you haven't been to a genuine English pub during match day. It's all a matter of perception anyway.
Don't be so quick to judge men in soccer jersey's (and pubs that are dark). The G&D owners manage their clientele and their pub(s) very well.
“If you actually think the George and Dragon is unruly then you haven't been to a genuine English pub during match day.”
Whats your point? All it tells me is that you've been to a English pub on match day? BFD What because you've traveled, and seen some of this crap at its worst, we are supposed to suspend our sense of what it is to be unruly? Jackie stated her opinion of a place she had been, and you used the fact that she had not been to someplace else as an opportunity to dismiss her as not only uniformed but guilty of juding others too quickly after she has been there several times?
Edog, when you wrote, “…seen some of this crap at its worst..” I take it you're referring to hooliganism or 'firms' either real or faux? It sounds like you've had some experience or been subjected to it before.
I'm curious if it is some particular bad experience or if it is just a general antipathy towards soccer fans.
“I take it you're referring to hooliganism or 'firms' either real or faux?” No I was refering to the distinciton between what JohnnyT called a “genuine English pub during match day” and Jackies comments on the GnD.
“…seen some of this crap at its worst..” This is not about my experience but an accurate extention of the remarks and rhetoric made by JohnnyT. Its a thinking which goes like this: I've seen the genuine thing, its harsh. Therefore, the harshness you've experienced, can not be harsh. Of course this line is utter BS.
“general antipathy towards soccer fans” No, I have no issues with Soccerfans generally.
“some particular bad experience” yes it is, I'll leave the details at that.
Ballard arms the Market Arms… the new BEER MILITIA will free us of the Federalist Monarchy!!!
Hic.
Sorry to hear you've had a run in(s) with hooligans before. They tarnish both the sport and supporters. It wasn't the 358 Firm was it? They're the only local 'firm' or faux firm that I'm aware of. They're bad news.
But, as for the G&D bringing out this sort of behavior, I really can't see that happening. While I'll grant that Jackie is basically right that the G&D is a smelly nasty dive, in general it's no worse than any other sports bar in terms of rowdy patrons and generally better. I'd feel more comfortable there than, for example, Goofy's.
And, as you might know, the G&D specifically bans singing and I expect the Market Arms will be the same.
eDog, my point is… there is nothing unruly about the G&D. And how can what I wrote be construed as “rhetoric” anyway?
It's like going into a biker bar and fearing bikers. Or a punk bar and fearing punks. That was my point. I can say this because the G&D do not tolerate unruly behavior and have a policy of banning anybody that causes it.
I'm Irish and have experienced the worst of what the English lower elements of society can dish out. But I'm not going to condemn them all. “English Disease”? I rest my case.
Uh, it's dark because people are trying to see the English Premier League football and assorted rugby matches on the TVs. The clientele is perfectly pleasant.
Oh fer chrissake. There's nothing remotely “unruly” or “hooligan”-like about the George & Dragon. It's a perfectly pleasant place to watch some football and sup a beer or coffee. People shout when their team scores a goal — my god, alert the police!
There aren't any football hooligans within a thousand miles of here.
“There aren't any football hooligans within five thousand miles of here”
Fixed your post fnarf, hope you don't mind.
Well, Heathrow's only 4,800 from Sea-Tac, but the closest thing to a hooligan you'll find in London these days is in West Ham or Millwall, and even they're mostly 60-year-old fat used-to-bes who can't even do battle with a flight of stairs, let alone a “firm”. So that's a few miles further. Glasgow's a bit closer, I suppose.
There's probably something hairy going on at the Azteca in Mexico City, too, or Tegucigalpa, or Bogota. That's closer still.
On most things we agree, and I'll leave it at that. As for G&D v Market Arms, I suspect that Market Arms will have a different feel as its a different neighborhood, but well see.
“And how can what I wrote be construed as “rhetoric” anyway?” we agree its a tortured stretch to call it rhetoric, but clearly you were, and are using your experience abroad to tell someone their sense of unruly is wrong. While their sense might not be your sense – guess what – its their sense, and they are entitled to it regardless of where you are from, or what you've seen.
A proper football pub in every Seattle neighborhood. Bet John Bayliss can do it before the link to UW is finished.
Can’t wait til June 11th.
FYI, it’s opening tomorrow.