Smoking ban in parks relaxed

We didn’t even get a chance to ask you about the smoking ban in Seattle parks that was supposed to begin April 1 before the new rule was relaxed. The new language in the Code of Conduct: “Smoking, chewing, or other tobacco use is banned within 25 feet of other park patrons and in play areas, beaches, or playgrounds.”

Superintendent Timothy Gallagher announced the ban Wednesday, overruling an advisory board that voted against the ban. But his decision didn’t last long, despite Mayor Mike McGinn’s support, with Gallagher backtracking the following day after a public outcry.

“Based on the input from the public that followed my initial decision,” Gallagher said, “I have decided that a gradual approach to a smoking ban is reasonable.”

But we’re still curious what you think about the ban. Do you think 25 feet is a fair distance or are you opposed to a ban altogether? Or did you like Gallagher’s original idea to ban smoking altogether better?


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TheRealDon
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TheRealDon

Let them smoke, but fine heavily VERY heavily for violating the rules (including littering)

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It's outside!

If you're near someone smoking, how about you ask them kindly if they would mind moving for the duration of their cigarette? Sometimes, it's okay to trust people and not make laws out of fear members of society are uncivil.

And what if they say no to moving? You move? You suck it up and realize that you're outside and it's not really that big of a deal?

My goodness, sounds like a bunch of cry-babies.

sunsethillgal
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sunsethillgal

I wish he hadn't revoked the ban. I've had issues in the past when visiting Golden Gardens with my family and people sit near us and light up, making it hard to enjoy a picnic. I hate to be stereotypical, but they're usually not the sorts I feel comfortable asking to stop smoking. It seems to me the burden shouldn't be on those forced to breath the toxic smoke, but on those polluting the air. Other states have successfully banned outdoor smoking. We should be progressive enough to do the same.

EnduroDriver
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EnduroDriver

Didn't Olympia just propose a $1 per pack tax hike? How are we going to generate any revenue from the new taxes if smokers don't have anyplace to smoke?

Barney Stinson
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Barney Stinson

I know that when I still smoked I would always take the courteous approach and step away from nearby crowds while smoking. I realize not all smokers do this, but most will/do.

Seriously though, this ordinance is a waste of time. Who would enforce it? Its nothing more than words on a piece of paper to make ourselves feel better about ourselves.

Quit wasting time and tackle serious issues like drug dealers, drug addicts, and all drug related problems, including violent crime.

sweetrose
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sweetrose

I am an old lady with grey hair. Would you feel uncomfortable asking me to stop smoking?

I would politely say, “no” if you did. Oh and laugh at you of course.

take-responsibility
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take-responsibility

No person has any right to dictate how any other person may act.
I don't care who you are, or how benevolent your intentions.
There is only one rule any person must follow to participate in society:

Do no harm to any other person physically or financially.

Beyond that, I will do whatever I want. I reject these rules, and I reject the idea that ANYBODY has the right to dictate what behavior is allowed in public.

why
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How 'bout just no smoking near the library. What a stinkhole the entrance to the Ballard library has become. Thanks smokers. Great role models for kids visiting the library! You stink.

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I don't smoke and am not a fan of it, BUT, the parks are funded by taxpayers money is it not? Therefore every single person should have the right to utilize them whether they smoke or not.

But really think about it. No one enforces the ban of smoking in or near bus stops…why would this be any different?

SPG
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SPG

I pay taxes. That doesn't mean I can go cut down trees in the park for firewood or build my own house on park land.

SPG
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SPG

What you describe is anarchy. Very nice in theory, like libertarianism, but no so nice in practice like in Somalia or other places with no functioning government.
Absolutes and the unfaltering belief in their supremacy is a surefire recipe for disaster.

BTW, smoking doesn't even clear your own absolutist rule as second hand smoke is unhealthy and doing harm to others.

JOe
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JOe

Tobacco is an addictive drug that kills 400,000 people a year and is more addictive than any drug that is already illegal. It's use creates a cloud of choking, cancer-causing smoke. Why do people get all surprised when it is regulated or banned? I see no reason why anyone would have the right to take a bundle of poisons and burn it, indoors or outdoors. I am sure, however, that everyone has the right to breathe clean air and the right not be forced to bear the burden of any one else's filthy, irresponsible habits in any amount.

Balgal
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Balgal

I'm sorry but I don't feel comfortable asking someone I don't know to move because they are smoking. I'm too considerate to risk insulting them. I just deal with the putrid smoke or move myself.

Yet many smokers are inherently insensitive to others. You are destroying the fresh air in our parks! Perhaps bans are the answers. I hate smoking!!! Going on 36 and have never smoked a puff in my life. My parents are both ex-smokers, by the way.

Cadi
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Cadi

It is not about dictating other people's actions, it's about protecting the health of everyone. Second hand smoke is not contained to the smoker, it is inflicted upon everyone. No person has the right to dictate that I must breathe your second hand smoke.

NWCitizen
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NWCitizen

It's outside for pete's sake! Is there really data that show there is damage to people in the vicinity of a smoker when they are outside? If there is then the ban is may be legitimate albeit unenforceable. However, if there is not then the ban has no basis and should be repealed.

loyalheightsmafia
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loyalheightsmafia

You're an idiot.

If you pay for your own land, chop the trees down from said land, and bring them to the park to chop, I don't think anyone is going to complain.

Cigarettes are not a natural resource that “grow” in parks, and nobody is trying to steal park property for personal gain by smoking in public areas.

Anne
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Anne

Let's face it, no one is ever going to enforce this 25 foot rule, so smokers, you can iron out your panties. Where I'm from, hardly anyone smokes and those who do are regarded as the true idiots they are. Poison yourselves in your own home, but there's no reason to make people without a death wish suffer.

Grubby Ballard
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Grubby Ballard

“creates a cloud of choking, cancer-causing smoke.”

So does your effing Volvo.

Grubby Ballard
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Grubby Ballard

“You are destroying the fresh air in our parks! “

So does your effing Volvo.

Idle Activist
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Idle Activist

Well, one good effect from a ban: it'll keep the working class out of the parks because face it, besides hipsters, who else smokes?

Penny
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Penny

I thought the 25 foot rule was ridiculous and I voted against it. This is ridiculous too. And no, I don't smoke. What's next? Policing people's homes to see if they're smoking?

Bob
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Bob

Actually, the most ridiculous thing about all this?

The Parks Department uses two stroke gasoline engine powered landscaping equipment!

In an hour, one gas powered leaf blower will generate more toxic fumes than a smoker will in an entire year!

LBB
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LBB

public buildings are also funded by taxpayers – but you can't smoke in them

LBB
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LBB

luckily, those aren't allowed inside public parks either

sallynorfolk
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sallynorfolk

I'm OK to be downwind from anybody when I smoke but it's really ridiculous to complain about it outside. Just cuz you can smell a trace doesn't mean you are going to get cancer.